Macedonia must act as if it is being invaded

[Daniel the Great]

Why would they ALL use both? Why use the VENTILATOR AT ALL? Can you verify that they ALL use the Ventiltor?

No Macedonian organisation, committee or church should use the new flag, they should all use the original Macedonian flag for it represents the Macedonian people. The new one is only suitable for government purposes in the Republic of Macedonia. UMD is a joke, they are the supposed representatives of the Macedonians but they are yet to show any sought of representation. Meto, listen to what the majority of the Macedonians want and use our original and historic Macedonian flag in all public gatherings, if not shame on you.

[indigen]

http://www.telma.com.mk/index.php?ta...b=15&item=4304

Претседателот на невладината организација „Реалитети“ Валон Беља формира политичка партија Албански сојуз. Беља изјави дека партијата ќе се залага за трајно решавање на проблемите пред се од етниќки карактер, со моделот на кантонизација. Како што објасни, Македонија треба да се подели на три кантони - првиот македонски, вториот албански и третиот од мешан карактер.

Pretty much as one should expect they would claim. Once, over some time, they consolidate the mixed canton, they will be running the country and may seek that Shqip is the one and only official state language.

If one goes back to the online news archives of 2001 and checks what was said by the Gheg representatives in Macedonia in relation to the proposal floated then for an exchange of territories in the Balkans, it will be seen that they, as Dzhaferi stated, do not want it because in time ALL Macedonia will be theirs.

[Bratot]

The scenario for Macedonia:


Macedonia is in a situation where systematic attempts are made to diluting its vital element - the Macedonians and the Macedonian nation, and step by step shrink the ranks of the Macedonian state, to a state of Macedonians and Albanians, then to a state of Macedonians, Albanians, Turks, Serbs , Roma, Vlachs, etc.. until the fully relativized ethnic category to be replaced with - CIVILIAN of (changed name - multinational civil-state instead of a nation-state).

The result is indirect ERADICATION of the Macedonian character of the state under the pretext that it is done to ensure equal rights of all communities, and already widely BRAINWASHED part of Macedonians has lost their senses and allow the Social and Historical engineering to be practiced over them.

At the end Macedonia ceases to be the cradle of Macedonian nation, but an anational civil society, where the Macedonian language is gradually degraded to be finally removed from the graph for "official language" and to delete every trace of the Macedonian character of the state.

[Risto the Great]

The result is indirect ERADICATION of the Macedonian character of the state under the pretext that it is done to ensure equal rights of all communities, and already widely BRAINWASHED part of Macedonians has lost their senses and allow the Social and Historical engineering to be practiced over them.

At the end Macedonia ceases to be the cradle of Macedonian nation, but an anational civil society, where the Macedonian language is gradually degraded to be finally removed from the graph for "official language" and to delete every trace of the Macedonian character of the state.

Bratot, the question is why aren't Macedonians rising en masse to avoid this?

[Phoenix]

Bratot, the question is why aren't Macedonians rising en masse to avoid this?

...they will...when its too late.

[Bratot]

Bratot, the question is why aren't Macedonians rising en masse to avoid this?

Risto,

how do you imagine the rising?

Even in ancient times, there were leaders and committees that organised and prepared the people.

Under Turkish yoke as well.

We need organisation and finances to respond adequatelly on those threats, we can not simply expect some global inner impuls of telepathy to rise up every Macedonian and bring them on the streets.

We can't battle anything successfully without unpolluted & welthy organisation to protect our interests.

The schemat for achieving successful self-tenable organisation/movement was set very precisely by historical VMRO.

If we still cannot detect how to achieve that, we can just copy some Greek organisation operating against Macedonia, ex. ELIAMEP.

Quote of the day:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." - Thomas J.

[Vangelovski]

The scenario for Macedonia:


Macedonia is in a situation where systematic attempts are made to diluting its vital element - the Macedonians and the Macedonian nation, and step by step shrink the ranks of the Macedonian state, to a state of Macedonians and Albanians, then to a state of Macedonians, Albanians, Turks, Serbs , Roma, Vlachs, etc.. until the fully relativized ethnic category to be replaced with - CIVILIAN of (changed name - multinational civil-state instead of a nation-state).

The result is indirect ERADICATION of the Macedonian character of the state under the pretext that it is done to ensure equal rights of all communities, and already widely BRAINWASHED part of Macedonians has lost their senses and allow the Social and Historical engineering to be practiced over them.

At the end Macedonia ceases to be the cradle of Macedonian nation, but an anational civil society, where the Macedonian language is gradually degraded to be finally removed from the graph for "official language" and to delete every trace of the Macedonian character of the state.

Bratot,

What you have just described is not a hypothetical scenario, its the Framework Agreement and we're well on our way.

[Bratot]

Formally the FA is fully implemented in our Constitution, that's the issue.

We are about to lose everything that we have - language, identity and nation-state.

[TrueMacedonian]

TM, there is so much truth in that statement.

These New Greeks (who we must understand are for the most part the descendants of Albanians), invaded in 1912 and 1913, and now they want to finish us off. The invasion is still going on. Its no longer a military threat, but the end game is the same - nothing short of our total extinction.

I think it is worth understanding that when we are talking to New Greeks, and when these New Greeks are trying to bury us it is the descendants of Albanians and Turks (twisted by European lies, and their own) behind it.

We can also add many other things to this Pelister. I think Macedonians need to learn more about what people like Soros are about and what organizations are trying to infiltrate the Macedonian psyche in order to create a world of despair - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=4716

http://www.soros.org/about/locations/macedonia

Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia
Visit the Site: http://www.soros.org.mk

The Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia works to foster a society that is more tolerant, democratic, integrated with Europe, and composed of informed and educated citizens. Among its major priorities are increasing civic participation in politics, supporting the rights of Roma and other vulnerable populations, and promoting regional cooperation on issues ranging from human rights to social science education.

To improve education for Roma youth, the foundation administers the Roma Education Program, an initiative developed by OSI and funded by USAID that has helped bring about substantial increases in high school graduation rates and college enrollment among Macedonian Roma. In a broader effort to promote tolerance and social inclusion of all minorities, the foundation has led a public education campaign financed by the European Commission that celebrates Macedonia’s multicultural heritage.

The foundation has also focused on promoting the rights of people with mental disabilities. In collaboration with OSI’s Mental Health Initiative, it has worked with the Ministry of Labor and Social Policy to initiate a human rights–based approach to mental health care that aims to phase out institutionalization and help integrate people with mental disabilities into society.

The foundation is also engaged in multicountry research and education initiatives, such as an assessment of human rights in Croatia and Macedonia relative to EU norms, and a project to create four new history textbooks that were developed by 60 historians from 11 countries and which use an inclusive, multiethnic approach to pedagogy.



Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia
Bul. Jane Sandanski 111, P.O.B. 378
Skopje 1000
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of
(389 2) 2 44 44 88
(389 2) 2 44 44 99
[email protected]

[Bratot]

CHOMSKY: People have to understand that it's necessary to undertake what you might call a course in intellectual self-defense. You have to understand the nature of the material that is being imposed upon you and its institutional sources. When you do that, you can make corrections. Its very hard to do that as an isolated individual. But in solidarity with others, in communication with others, it can be done. It was done, for example, by the Central American solidarity movement, which was a very effective movement in the 1980s, and also by the anti-apartheid network, by the green movement, and by the women's movement. That's the way you combat it. An isolated individual -- unless he or she is really heroic -- can't prevail.

[Pelister]

We can also add many other things to this Pelister. I think Macedonians need to learn more about what people like Soros are about and what organizations are trying to infiltrate the Macedonian psyche in order to create a world of despair - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=4716

http://www.soros.org/about/locations/macedonia

Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia
Visit the Site: http://www.soros.org.mk

The Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia works to foster a society that is more tolerant, democratic, integrated with Europe, and composed of informed and educated citizens. Among its major priorities are increasing civic participation in politics, supporting the rights of Roma and other vulnerable populations, and promoting regional cooperation on issues ranging from human rights to social science education.

To improve education for Roma youth, the foundation administers the Roma Education Program, an initiative developed by OSI and funded by USAID that has helped bring about substantial increases in high school graduation rates and college enrollment among Macedonian Roma. In a broader effort to promote tolerance and social inclusion of all minorities, the foundation has led a public education campaign financed by the European Commission that celebrates Macedonia’s multicultural heritage.

The foundation has also focused on promoting the rights of people with mental disabilities. In collaboration with OSI’s Mental Health Initiative, it has worked with the Ministry of Labor and Social Policy to initiate a human rights–based approach to mental health care that aims to phase out institutionalization and help integrate people with mental disabilities into society.

The foundation is also engaged in multicountry research and education initiatives, such as an assessment of human rights in Croatia and Macedonia relative to EU norms, and a project to create four new history textbooks that were developed by 60 historians from 11 countries and which use an inclusive, multiethnic approach to pedagogy.



Foundation Open Society Institute–Macedonia
Bul. Jane Sandanski 111, P.O.B. 378
Skopje 1000
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of
(389 2) 2 44 44 88
(389 2) 2 44 44 99
[email protected]

I'm glad you have brought this to light, T.M. The last thing we need right now is a 'multi-ethnic' State based on the E.U model, and more decentralised power, because if we add that to the terms of the Framework Agreement, we have effectively given up all soveriegn jurisdiction over southwestern Macedonia, and given we have a millitant minority concentrated on the border with Kosovo and Albania - its a disaster. These NGO's sponsored by Soros can't accept us the way we are, or the way we want to be known. Definitely a destabilising force in the region.

[sf.]

My question is what can we individually and as a group of Macedonians, not limited to this forum, actually do to change the course of history for Macedonia, the Balkan Peninsula and Europe?

Whatever we have been doing in the past 9 years appears to not have done anything, according to some.

I learnt the following from the businesses world. If you want to enact change or accomplish an objective, why send an email when you can make a phone call; why make a phone call when you can speak to someone face to face?

Before we tackle the world, we need to address our own shortcomings. The people of Macedonia are under assault, inundated by noise from various sources with various interests - most at the expense of the country. How do we distinguish ourselves in this scenario? Unfortunately, as a diaspora we are scattered, disunited and ineffective. I'm afraid that in the end, no amount of words on the net would be sufficient to accomplish anything on their own, without other supporting work.

We need to invest in Macedonia, not just financially, but totally. We need to migrate there and try to enact change from the inside out. But unfortunately, most of us are unwilling to do this. Sure, we'll justify it with one reason or another, but in the end we are too comfortable in our environment. I'm ashamed to say that I am also speaking of myself. This is my shortcoming as a Macedonian.

[Daskalot]

Sf, words on the net can in fact make a change, just look at wikileaks as an example.

[Akzion]

We need to invest in Macedonia, not just financially, but totally. We need to migrate there and try to enact change from the inside out. But unfortunately, most of us are unwilling to do this. Sure, we'll justify it with one reason or another, but in the end we are too comfortable in our environment. I'm ashamed to say that I am also speaking of myself. This is my shortcoming as a Macedonian.

sf.
Great post that reveals why nobody goes from words to... action (return). Don't go there. Gross Domestic Product (per capita) in Republic of Macedonia comparing to Australia is 1:10.
If you consider purchasing power parity it's slightly better 1:4,2. This ratio is supposed to present more accurately the difference in living standards.

[sf.]

Sf, words on the net can in fact make a change, just look at wikileaks as an example.

The international political community is set up in a particular way. The problems that Wikileaks has caused is not in the revelation of facts - even though it's titilating reading for most of us - but in the removal of pretence. The relevance of Wikileaks as it stands is that those invested in the current world order will just ramp up their activities to maintain the status quo.

But this is besides the point of my post. I was talking about our efforts and how they specifically relate to Macedonia. Is the message here getting through, and is it sufficient on its own to enact change? How far are we really prepared to support the cause?