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  • Onur
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2389

    #16
    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    It begins in the second half of the 18th century, when Greek-speaking clergymen were given full operational rights (by the Ottomans) over the churches in Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia, the Danubian principalities and elsewhere. This was capitalised on by the Patriarchate at Constantinople who increased their activities for the purpose of 'homogenising' the Christian Orthodox population in the Ottoman Empire, particularly the Balkans and Asia Minor, through the common use of the Romaic (Greek) language...
    Last week, i was reading memoirs of a founder of American Robert Collage in Istanbul, written in 19th century. Take a look at the part of his journey to Plovdiv, Bulgaria in May, 1857. This totally confirms what you wrote above here;

    ...
    I found the Greek bishop in deep, earnest, low conversation with the pasha and I could only make known my request, which was readily granted, and depart.

    I easily found out the cause of the bishop's earnestness with the pasha. A Bulgarian sheep merchant had established in his village a school for Bulgarians, and had excluded Greek; whereas the policy of the church was to Hellenize the Bulgarians and allow nothing but the Greek. The bishop, about a week before, had visited the school and demanded that a Greek teacher should have charge of it. The founder of the school told the bishop not to trouble himself about the language,
    since he did not pay any thing for the school. The bishop was the stronger man. From words he proceeded to blows, threw the merchant down and, in his righteous anger, might have beaten him to death, but that his own men interfered. The bloody Bulgarian had to keep his house a few days, until he could appear before the pasha. The bishop had already prepared the case by proving that the merchant assaulted the bishop and he only defended himself. He hadn't touched him himself, his attendants had beaten him for his impiety. So the Bulgarian was thrown into prison and was lying there at the time. I afterwards
    learned that he got free by paying twenty thousand piastres to the bishop. The case excited such indignation among the Bulgarians, that I heard many say with suppressed breath, "No more Greek bishops for us!" After all, it was the bishop's head that was broken.

    In a few days, the Bulgarian recovered, and the honor in which he was held by the people was the measure of their detestation of the bishop. It was only one of many instances in which the worst oppressors of the Christians were their own clergy.
    ...



    His journey in Plovdiv continues...

    ...
    Athanase, the Greek teacher, probably did not relish the conversation. He came to our room at the khan. He had something on his mind. He wanted to tell me about the Turkish oppressions. I listened to him with eagerness. It was my object to learn all the facts I could. He then told
    me a harrowing story of the governor's seizing a beautiful maiden and taking her to his harem and the awful cruelties he perpetrated upon friends of the poor girl who tried to rescue her. I took down the chief points. I was determined that atrocity should be made public at Constantinople and in England and America and that Lord Stratford de
    Rodcliffe should know every particular. I thought of even going to the old monster and telling him that, by his own law, he could not escape Gehenna. And then, it occurred to me that Greeks sometimes exaggerate; and that the story was a little too complete, rounded out into a fulness of iniquity,a little suspicious!

    On inquiry, I found that the whole thing was a fabrication; and when I threatened Athanase with exposure, he begged with such abject terror, that I let him go. How many he had actually deceived with this well-told story, who can tell? I have met this same story, in all its chief points, so often, that it is evidently the stock in trade of a certain class of story-tellers, who love to practise upon the credulity of foreigners. That outrages of this nature have occurred in Turkey, is undoubtedly true. That every Greek dragoman manufactures them for every traveller who falls into his hands, is equally true. It is not absolutely necessary for one to put unlimited faith in all that he hears from people of that class. And yet, it is very hard for a traveller to disbelieve any thing, especially if it is wonderful.
    ...
    "Among the Turks" by Cyrus Hamlin, published in 1877






    It really gives an insight of the situation in 1857`s. The struggle of non-Greek speaking people vs. Greek bishops. They were Hellenizing people in Macedonia and Bulgaria by force especially after 1850. Using violence against the ones who builds schools of Bulgarian language in Plovdiv. They were getting this authority from the Turks but at the same time they were fabricating false stories about so-called Turkish oppression and spread these lies to everyone.

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13675

      #17
      Onur, good source, thanks.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Onur
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2389

        #18
        Bulgarian parliament recently discussed about a draft to declare so-called Bulgarian "genocide" during Ottoman Turkish regime;
        Tensions Run High in Bulgarian Parliament over Ottoman Empire Genocide

        Bulgaria's Parliament saw a rather heated debate Wednesday morning as the nationalist party "Ataka" proposed a draft declaration to denounce the genocide over Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire – which was eventually rejected due to the high number of abstaining MPs.

        A total of 39 MPs voted in favor of the motion, 26 voted against, and 50 abstained, with less than half of the total of 240 MPs taking part in the vote.

        A total of 18 Ataka MPs together with 17 MPs from the ruling center-right party GERB and 4 from the right-wing Blue Coalition voted in favor. The rest of the GERB and Blue Coalition deputies abstained, while the ethnic Turkish party DPS and Bulgarian Socialist Party voted against.

        The motion refers to the period from 1396 – when the Second Bulgarian Empire fell to the Ottoman Turks – until 1913 – when the First Balkan War technically freed the Balkan Christians from the Ottoman Empire. (The autonomous Bulgarian state was restored in 1878 on a part of the Bulgarian populated territories, and became independent in 1908.)

        Even though there were numerous cases of mass slaughter of Bulgarians and other Christians in the Ottoman Empire – including during the many uprisings staged against the Ottoman authorities – the issue of condemning genocide in that time period has not been taken up by the mainstream Bulgarian historians mainly because the term is arbitrary with respect to periods before the 20th century when extermination campaigns were carried out with "modern" methods.

        The Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire recognized by a number of countries refers to a later period - during and after World War I.

        The motion of the nationalist party Ataka to condemn the genocide over Bulgarians in the Ottoman Empire was vigorously opposed by members of the ethnic Turkish party DPS (Movement for Rights and Freedoms) as well as by Professor Andrey Pantev, a renowned historian, currently a MP from the Bulgarian Socialist Party.

        "You are irritated by the term "Ottoman dominance", you are talking about a Turkish yoke even though the Turkish state was set up many years after Bulgaria's Liberation," stated DPS MP Lyutvi Mestan referring to the founding of the Turkish Republic in 1922 by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

        The position of the human rights committee of the Parliament, which declared itself against the motion, also notes the position of the Foreign Ministry that its adoption could strain Bulgaria's relations with Turkey.

        This infuriated the nationalists with their leader Volen Siderov urging Foreign Minister Nikolay Mladenov to fire the "clerks" who wrote it.

        "The communist party brought its heavy artillery. Professors like Pantev are the reason the Bulgarian students don't know their history," Siderov retorted.

        Professor Pantev was also blasted by the deputy chair of Ataka and deputy chair of the Parliament Pavel Shopov.

        "There have been lowly statements in this Parliament but this is beyond any of them. The Socialist Party demonstrated again that it never cared for the Bulgarian national interest and memory," Shopov said.

        March 9, 2011

        http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=126025

        I hope the nationalist parties in Bulgaria can manage to get that declaration of genocide pass from their parliament next time since i see that already 17 MPs of ruling party voted in favor of it.

        I want that cuz i believe we need to be in "eye for an eye" with these Bulgarians. We have outstanding business and unsettled problems with them. Turkish public needs an awareness to ask about the responsibility of the expulsion of over 500.000 and the death of the over 250.000 civillians from Bulgaria during their so-called liberation in 1878. We also need to ask for a compensation for the confiscated properties of the 350.000 Turks, forcibly expelled in 1989 then ask for the responsibility of assimilation attempts by forcibly changing their names beforehand. They even erased Osman, Hakan from gravestones and changed it with Ivan, Vladimir in 1980s.

        If Bulgarian parliament accepts this declaration of genocide, then this can start the fire and cause an awareness among Turkish public. We got nothing to loose unlike Bulgarians

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        • Prolet
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 5241

          #19
          I wonder how we should feel when the Fascist Bulgarians occupied our country in WW2 and exterminated most of our Jewish Population by sending them to death camps in Treblinka. Even going further back they took 11% of our territory in Pirinska Makedonija so we should be asking for Billions in damages.

          I can see the Greeks even today are pushing for damage pay outs from Germany even when everything was settled in the 60s i wonder how much compensation is entitled to our people from Egejska Makedonija who were brutally kicked out of their homes and had their villages destroyed. These countries have no right to accuse others when they have committed far bigger crimes in their past.
          МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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