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Old 04-16-2019, 09:25 PM   #5961
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The government of North Macedonia recently changed the name of the country's public news service from "Macedonian Information Agency" to "Media Information Agency", therefore keeping the same acronym "MIA". They think they're so clever...

Meanwhile Greece get's to keep the name of it's public news service unchanged "Athens-Macedonian News Agency".
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Old 04-16-2019, 10:51 PM   #5962
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I propose a new name for the Hellenic state: "New Idea"

Because they are full of made up shit and a recent invention.

The Australians on here will get it
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Old 04-17-2019, 08:32 AM   #5963
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Kompir, don't give up your day job I think comedy is best left to RtG.
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Old 05-21-2019, 10:42 AM   #5964
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A directional sign in Kavala the shows the name Konstaninopoulis with the Byzantine double headed eagle. What would happen if in Skopje there was a sign showing the direction of "Solun" with the Macedonian sun on a red background?

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Greek fighter jets test radar coverage of N. Macedonia in NATO-linked overflights

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21 May, 2019

North Macedonia says fighter jets from neighboring Greece have carried out NATO-linked test overflights of its territory as part of the country’s process of joining the alliance, AP reports.

Two flights on Tuesday tested radar and communications coverage of North Macedonia, its Defense Ministry said. North Macedonia has no fixed-wing military aircraft, and NATO has a program to protect the airspace of members that do not have sufficient means of their own.

North Macedonia is set to become NATO’s 30th member by the end of this year, after NATO member Greece dropped its long-standing objections. The move followed a deal to normalize relations between Athens and Skopje that saw Macedonia renamed North Macedonia.

The “name deal” also cleared the way for the small former Yugoslav republic to pursue accession to the EU.
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Old 06-25-2019, 11:35 PM   #5966
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Discrimination?! If that's discrimination, then WTF do we call what was done to us for the last 25 years! Mother *******! I swear the world makes less sense to me every single day.

https://www.rferl.org/amp/northies-h.../30020114.html

Northies' Has Crept Into The Macedonian Debate. Will It Ever Go Away?

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Even before Macedonians' decades-old spat with neighboring Greece was finally resolved earlier this year, the new name-calling had begun.

Referendum "boycotters," social-media trolls, and some other critics were already belittling as "Northies" (северџан/severchan) their fellow Macedonians who took part in the process to rename their ​former Yugoslav republic North Macedonia and ease Greek concerns that territorial claims on their region called Macedonia were just a matter of time.

And while the "Northie" name-calling appears to have abated since the implementation of the so-called Prespa Agreement that guided the name change to North Macedonia, its use continues, especially hashtagged on social media but also occasionally in more traditional media.

And the practice is a matter of concern to some.

Mirjana Najcevska calls it a textbook case of "hate speech."

"By using this term, a certain group of people is seeking to dehumanize or, in this case, 'de-identify,'" Najcevska, who specializes in rights and discrimination issues for the Institute for Sociological, Political, and Juridical Research, told RFE/RL's Balkan Service.

"Some people seek to label others in a way that not only degrades and humiliates but also takes away certain characteristics -- either to limit the rights of those people in a given situation or to create a hostile atmosphere and in future justify violent behavior toward that group of people."

Supporters of a boycott of the name-change referendum in Skopje in September 2018.
Supporters of a boycott of the name-change referendum in Skopje in September 2018.

Others counter that even if the intention is to insult, the term "Northies" is so matter-of-fact that it doesn't pack the kind of punch that is likely to truly divide Macedonian society.

"It's not hate speech," Angel Mojsovski, a researcher with the Skopje-based European Policy Institute, a think tank, told RFE/RL. "Maybe it's meant to be an insult from those who are saying [it], but it doesn't mean anything. What does 'severchan' mean? Nothing. 'People who are living in North Macedonia.'"

He noted that the "Northie" label was initially being applied by detractors to anyone who was participating in the referendum, including liberals who would go on to back Prespa or nationalists who turned out to oppose the name change, stripping it of much real meaning.

Mojsovski suggested that such insults could melt away with political realignments in Macedonia, leaving a short-sighted term like "Northie" behind.

But such a warning is especially pertinent in the Balkans, where the breakup of Yugoslavia was accompanied by a decade of bitter conflict fueled by nationalism, ethnic rivalries, and strategic ambitions.

NATO, EU Ambitions

Many of those ambitions have since been replaced with hopes of joining NATO and the European Union, as fellow former Yugoslav republics Slovenia and Croatia have done.

Skopje has already signed an accession protocol with NATO that awaits ratification in allied capitals.

But as the European Union drags its feet on expansion and with eager Macedonians already frustrated by a lack of economic opportunities, critics warn that healing the divisions over the Prespa process might be made more difficult.

Prime Minister Zoran Zaev's center-left government negotiated the Prespa Agreement in part on the basis of a referendum in September that equated a solution to the name dispute with EU and NATO membership.

"Are you in favor of European Union and NATO membership by accepting the agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece?" the referendum asked voters in the mountainous country of some 2.1 million people.

Macedonians overwhelmingly approved it, albeit with only about one in three eligible voters casting ballots.

EU Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn called the endorsement "very significant."

Many Macedonians saw those and other indications as an assurance that resolution of the name squabble would immediately launch the country into accession talks, a yearslong goal of Skopje's foreign policy.

But North Macedonia was recently shunted along with Albania into EU limbo despite a European Commission recommendation for the start of those negotiations, reportedly in part because of objections by EU members France and the Netherlands.

There are concerns that the seeming contradictory actions by the EU might provide political ammunition against the "Northies."

One "boycotter" last week posted a video of Zaev reading the referendum question from last summer, punctuating the message with a #Northie tag.


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So the bout of "Northie" name-calling could well continue, and it could leave a bitter taste in a lot of Macedonians' mouths, particularly if the European Union continues to keep them at arm's length.

But it is unlikely to rile Macedonians too much, or to create any intractable problems in their newly renamed country.

"We mind our own business. We're here eating and drinking and going on with our lives," said Mojsovski. "Most of the divisions that I see -- and maybe it's a global problem, I don't know -- if you just follow social media, you'll think that all hell is breaking loose. But if you go out among real people, you don't get that feeling, especially in Skopje. It's not like we're killing each other."
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North Macedonia changes name of army

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04.07.2019

North Macedonia changed the name of its army to abide by the provisions of the Prespes accord, the deal signed with Greece last year to end a decades-old dispute over the country’s name, state-run news agency ANA-MPA reported Thursday.

The country added the adjective “north” to become the army of the Republic of North Macedonia.
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Oct 13, 2019

It’s all in the name for North Macedonia’s NATO, EU bids

For years, the nation known until recently as the Republic of Macedonia has worked to gain NATO and European Union membership, with efforts blocked by Greece because of a dispute over its name. But in February, the country adopted a new name, North Macedonia, and is hopeful the name change will open the door for membership. Special correspondent Christopher Livesay reports.
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Residents of Greece’s northern neighbour are not content with using the name “North Macedonia” and are trying to create a backdoor to force Greece to accept calling them “Macedonia.” Skopje’s unprecedented claim was made during negotiations between the two countries’ defence ministries for the drafting of the Military Cooperation Program for the year 2020. “As for the signing and implementation of the 2020 Military Cooperation Program (SFP) with North Macedonia, the Official Association of Skopje stated the sudden change in attitude of this country and specifically that it seeks to use the acronym MKD [Macedonia] instead of RNM [Republic of North Macedonia],” a confidential document of the Greek military, which was published by Proto Thema, revealed.

“In Action Plan 2019 with North Macedonia, which was signed against PSS 2019, as well as in all relevant actions, the abbreviation RNM was used with the consent of that country,” the Greek military document reads. As seen in the note, which is classified as confidential, the view of the General Staff of the National Defence is “not to sign the PSS 2020 with the abbreviation MKD” and “to seek the use of the names of the countries in full (Greece – Republic of North Macedonia or North Macedonia) in order to overcome the issue of abbreviations and to sign the PSS 2020 Greece-Northern Macedonia as soon as possible and to implement its actions.” Dimitris Giannakakis, Greece’s ambassador to Skopje, in a telegram dated June 19, 2020, which was classified as confidential and urgent, emphasises that the text of the Military Cooperation Program has been a product of negotiations for almost a year and it had been accepted by the Greek military, which had instructed him to sign it.”

Informing the Ministries of Foreign Affairs and National Defence about the demands of Greece’s northern neighbour, Ambassador Giannakakis notes that the Skopje interlocutors to the Greek officer who handled the negotiations for the finalisation of the Program of Important Military Replacement and Technical Cooperation said something “orally that they want MKD. He then received an email requesting a change, without further ado.” Below is the email from the Ministry of Defence of Skopje, which asked to change the abbreviation of the name of the neighbouring country for the Military Cooperation Program with Greece for the year 2020 to MKD. Responding to the people of Skopje, the following defence of the Greek embassy in Skopje asked for time to inform the Greek military about the demands and to receive instructions.

In a confidential and urgent telegram to the Foreign Ministry’s central office, the Greek ambassador to Skopje stressed that Europeans do not share Greek arguments for the need to use the RNM abbreviation. “At least our EU interlocutors here understand that the original RNMs are widely used in the context of public administration. However, they accept the argument here that the initials MK and MKD are provided for in Article 1.3 (e) of the Prespa Agreement for all cases and do not favour our argument that the abbreviations used for Northern Macedonia in the context of the EU and NATO. They need a different regulation,” noted Ambassador Giannakakis. A document from Dimitris Giannakakis, Greece’s ambassador to Skopje, claims that their country is referred to as MKD in many instances. “The country codes for the car plates of the second part (Skopje) shall be NM and NMK. For all other purposes, country codes remain MK and MKD, as officially rendered by the International Organization for Standardization (ILO),” the document said.
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