The Miss Stone Affair

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  • TrueMacedonian
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 3810

    #31
    DrDouchebag wrote;
    Ohhh the book is biased!! Of course its biased , anything that doesnt suit your agenda is surely biased. How is it a good find then lol and how is 1 page out of the whole book not considered biased??
    The page i put up clearly tells you what a Macedonian is. If some people here dont like that its not my problem, go write a review about the book, the author might even respond back to you.
    Or is this thread on a mission to prove the author is not credible??
    If you read the first page I posted from Carpenter's book she mentions Madame Tsilkas writings in which the "brigands" mention that they are many nationalities and religions. One of them being MACEDONIAN! Would you like me to give you my baba's glasses next time you read something?
    Keep it going though. You are a very distinguished fool on here. I appreciate your effort though

    It's a wonder how you decide not to post on any subject on this forum that destroys your country's foolish claims to a cultural continuity from ancient times
    Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #32
      To live the Myth you have to believe it eat it drink it sing it dream it think it say it teach it learn it sing it tell it smell it......
      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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      • Pelister
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 2742

        #33
        Thanks again, TM.

        It is amazing that Amercians could actually see the difference between Bulgarian supermasists, and Macedonian autonomists, and then admit that the difference between the two was the cause of so much confusion in the West.

        The other point was the observations that the Macedonians were fighting the Bulgarians, just as fiercely as they were fighting the Greeks, and the Serbians. Its brilliant reading.

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        • Pelister
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 2742

          #34
          There had been a war going on between the Macedonians of the Kostur region led by Tchakalarov, and Bulgarian military units for years. One famous battle between the Macedonians, and the Bulgarians, happened in 1899. I believe the Bulgarian General - Tsonchev, and his men were attacked by Macedonians, and driven out.

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          • Sarafot
            Member
            • Dec 2008
            • 616

            #35
            Originally posted by DrVosi View Post
            What was Boris Sarafov then? A Bulgarian from Macedonia or an Ethnic Macedonian? Dr AV*
            Hey DRVO SI na vistina, you will tell me who Sarafov was?
            Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците.
            - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

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            • Pelister
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2742

              #36
              Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
              Very good research TM, is it ok with you if I post some of your findings on our frontpage??
              Fact is they were all ETHNIC Macedonians, regardless of their nationality, perceived nationality, nationality yet to be, or affiliation to a neighbouring nationality. In other words, you can rap up Macedonians in whatever nation you like, or whatever Church or denomination you like - they were always ethnic Macedonians.

              Anthropologists have always known about a seperate and unique Macedonian ethnic group, and linguists have always known the Macedonian language, stands in its own right, seperate from all others. The rest is fkn politics.

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              • makedonin
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 1668

                #37
                Originally posted by DrVosi View Post
                What was Boris Sarafov then? A Bulgarian from Macedonia or an Ethnic Macedonian?
                What about Hristo Chernopeev?? Bulgarian or Ethnic Macedonian
                Why don't you let him tell you him self through his interview in the "The Times"

                We Macedonians consider ourselves to be an entirely separate national element, and we are not in the least disposed to allow our country to be seized by Bulgaria, Servia, or Greece. We will, in fact, oppose any such incorporation with all our might. Macedonia must belong to the Macedonians. The misunderstanding has arisen through our residing in Bulgaria.

                To see the copy of the The Times, London, April 12, 1901, pp. 3-4 article click here
                To enquire after the impression behind an idea is the way to remove disputes concerning nature and reality.

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13669

                  #38
                  Back to the Miss Stone Affair. Below is another article from the Times, 1901.




                  There is also the following set of article from the U.S paper named the Brooklyn Eagle:

                  03-10-1901, Constantinople, MACEDONIANS IMPLICATED In the Kidnapping of the American Missionary, Miss Stone – Consul Starts for Sofia; American representatives have secured evidence proving the complicity of the members of the Macedonian Committee at Sofia in the kidnapping of the American missionary, Miss Helen H. Stone, and her companion, Mrs Tsilka, and the assurances given by the Bulgarian government relative to the measures to be taken against the abductors show that the gravity of the affair is appreciated at Sofia.
                  06-11-1901, London; “It is stated here”, says the Sofia correspondent of the Daily Telegraph, “that the brigands will not abate the ransom originally demanded. In Macedonian circles it is maintained that Miss Stone will be murdered on that territory in order to remove all traces of the original Macedonian instigators of the capture.
                  09-12-1901, Sofia, Bulgaria; According to information received from Salonica, Miss Ellen M. Stone, the American missionary and Madame Tsilka, her companion, are concealed in the vicinity of Rilo, about five miles south of Dubnitza, in Bulgarian territory. The news was brought by a Macedonian, who left there December 1, and who furnished precise information regarding the hiding places and the names of the agents who are supplying food to the brigands and their captives.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13669

                    #39
                    Here is some more information regarding the Miss Stone Affair.


                    On the late afternoon of September 3, 1901 enroute from the village of Bansko, Macedonia (now Bulgaria) to the town of Gorna Dzhumaia (now Blagoevgrad), an American missionary woman, Ellen Maria Stone, of Chelsea, Massachusetts, was taken hostage with a Macedonian companion, Mrs. Katarina Stefanova Tsilka. The women's captors, a band of twenty armed men were affiliated with the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) and led by Yane Sandansky and Hristo Chernopeev.

                    The capture of Miss Stone was no accident. The plan for the detention and ransom of a high-profile American connected with the missionaries had been under consideration for some time. The immediate demand for 25,000 Turkish lira (about $110,000) to release Miss Stone had been calculated so as to support an erupting revolutionary situation between the Turkish authorities and their subjects in Macedonia. The Ilinden Uprising of 1903 was the manifestation of these troubled times.

                    The drama of the Stone-Tsilka Affair was heightened when the world learned that Miss Stone's companion was pregnant (a fact unknown to the women's abductors at the time of the capture). The fate of the women captured the attention and imagination of most of the Western world and the incident received extensive press coverage. In the intervening century, chapters of Macedonian and Balkan histories have been devoted to it, a 1958 Yugoslav motion picture was inspired by it, a scholarly thesis was drawn from it, and in 2003, Simon and Shuster published a well- researched account of it (The Miss Stone Affair) by the Pulitzer-prize winning author, Teresa Carpenter. A paperback edition of Ms. Carpenter's work was issued in 2004.

                    These pages offer a glimpse into contemporary accounts of the incident and, in particular, highlight subsequent events in the lives of Katarina Stefanova Tsilka (great grandaunt of the author of this website) and her family.



                    Although the Macedonian revolutionaries are portrayed as Bulgarians by some of the writers, the reasons for which can be logically explained, the below sources still share some important details concerning the event.






                    Mrs. Tsilka's Story of her Baby


                    Confessions of a Macedonian Bandit is an interesting text, despite its reference to the language of the revolutionaries as Bulgarian, it is still gives a valuable insight to the animosity between the Macedonians on the one hand and the Bugarophile Macedonians and Bulgarians on the other. Here are the words of Hristo Chernopeev in this text, who, in his own memoirs would write that there was strong opposition from Bulgaria against me and the others........:

                    "It was after the downfall of Sarafoff, and Prince Ferdinand had captured the machinery of our committee of representatives in Sofia by putting General Tsoncheff into it. Tsoncheff, the prince's friend. Of course, we repudiated him. We, in the interior, were not going to recognize as our representative a Bulgarian general appointed by Prince Ferdinand.

                    "But Tsoncheff not only insisted that he was our representative, but that he should govern the whole Macedonian revolutionary organization. Fancy a German admiral coming over to your United States and declaring himself your prime minister. You would either kick him out, or laugh at him. But Tsoncheff's rank impudence was backed by Ferdinand's gold, which bought men, guns and ammunition. And with the pretence of revolution he began sending big armed bands across the frontier, to oust us out of our rayons.

                    "Of course, we resisted. But just then happened the Salonica betrayal, and the whole Central Committee and dozens of other able leaders, on whom we depended for the financing of supplies, were arrested and sent into close exile into Asia Minor. The organization collapsed; in all Northern Macedonia only Sandanski and I were left. It was then that Tsoncheff began running his bands across the frontier to conquer the revolutionary field.

                    "We met them, first with protests, then with armed force. Men we had in plenty, for the population was behind us, but empty handed men aren't much good in such work. There was no Central Committee to assist us, even with advice. And the means of appealing for help to the Macedonian immigrants in Bulgaria was denied us. You see, the Macedonians in, Bulgaria hardly knew how, things stood, for our revolutionary organ had fallen into the hands of Tsoncheff from Sarafoff. So the people got their version of it, and continued sending in their contributions to Tsoncheff.

                    "It was a desperate situation. It looked as if we and the whole organization would be swept out of existence and Prince Ferdinand's hirelings would possess themselves of the field, to do with it as they liked. To add to the aggravation, Tsoncheff hired and sent over an old brigand who had operated in the Rilo Mountains in the early days before the organization had driven him ont, old Dontcho, who captured Christians and Turks alike for ransom and kept the money for himself. The people detested him.

                    "Sandanski and I were together. We were now so poorly equipped that we didn't even dare to meet Tsoncheff's bands; we had to run from them, as if they were asker. We needed money. So we determined to capture some wealthy Turk and get a few thousand liras ransom. Once we tried and failed. At that time there came to us a chetnik who had been a student in the American school in Samakov. 'Capture one of the, missionaries,' he suggested;
                    'and the Turkish government will pay the ransom immediately to avoid complications.'

                    "The idea took us with fever heat. You understand, it wasn't pleasant to contemplate--we had never even captured Turks for ransom. But Tsoncheff's bands were pouring in on us............
                    There should be enough literature there to get a good picture of the whole story.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • TrueMacedonian
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3810

                      #40
                      Excellent stuff SoM.
                      Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                      • TrueMacedonian
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3810

                        #41

                        page 380
                        Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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                        • Eddie_rebel
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                          • Nov 2009
                          • 140

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                          • Eddie_rebel
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                            • Nov 2009
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                            • Eddie_rebel
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                              • Nov 2009
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                              • George S.
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 10116

                                #45
                                It's testimoney of the macedonian existence.
                                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                                GOTSE DELCEV

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