De Origine Successibusque Slavorum 1532

[TrueMacedonian]

De Origine Successibusque Slavorum (On the Origin and Glory of the Slavs) was published in 1595 in Venice.

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A native of Hvar, Dominican Vinko Pribojević, humanist and historian, was the first to express the idea of unity of all Slavs in his work “De origine successibusque Slavorum,” Venice 1532. The work was later translated into Italian and published in Venice in 1595. The first part of Pribojević’s work is devoted to the origin and fame of the Slavs, while the second part gives a short geographic description and history of Dalmatia. The third part is devoted to his native island of Hvar. He delineates its glorious past, its economic and cultural importance and the scientific and military contributions of his countrymen. Pribojević’s ideas, although influenced by Polish historiography, which believed that the cradle of Slavs was in Illyricum, are important because he was the first among the South Slavs who expressed the idea about the great Slavic community of nations. He is considered to be a forerunner of the pan-Slavic idea and the later Illyrian Movement. His work was a source for the history written later by Mavro Orbini.





The following text I am going to post is the general view of modern historians in regards to Vinko Pribojević and what they deem as "Pan-Slavism". I post this because it makes mention of Vinko's view of the Ancient Macedonians, Illyrians, and Thracians as being a people of the same nation who speak the same language. It also makes mention of an interesting text called "The Donation of the Slavs by Alexander the Great".


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What are your thoughts?

[Soldier of Macedon]

My thoughts? Excellent.

It proves that not only the Macedonians, but the Slavic-speaking people of Croatia have considered Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians a related people to themselves and a part of their historical origins, well before the 19th century.

[Daskalot]

It is a very good find, he was the predecessor to Mauro Orbini, both their works are great.

[Daskalot]

The book is available in an Australian library.

O podrijetlu i slavi Slavena / Vinko Pribojevic ; preveli Veljko Gortan, Pavao Knezovic ; priredio Miroslav Kurelac

http://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn1304572

[Daskalot]

In the year 1525 on the Island of Hvar in front of a selected audience, the social and intellectual elite of this prosperous Adriatic community, the learned Dominican monk Vinko Pribojevic (Vincentius Priboevius) gave an oration titled De Origine Successibusque Slavorum. With a wide stroke of the brush, Pribojevic painted his history of the Slavs from times immemorial to the present day, incorporating in it the histories of various ancient peoples, such as the Thracians, Macedonians, Goths, Gets, Vandals, Sarmatians, Gepids and Illyrians, all of whom he declared Slavs.

Pribojevic ignored the migration of the Slavs to the Balkan peninsula in the sixth century, and claimed ethnic continuity for the Slavs in these regions. By doing so, he invented an ancient tradition for contemporary Slavic Dalmatia, linking it with the heritage of the ancient Illyrians. In the case of such an invented tradition, one can easily note the obvious connection between the claim of a glorious history, and the author's (in this case Pribojevic's) ability to identify a particular historical person (Emperor Diocletian, Aristotle, St. Jerome etc.) or entire nations such as Goths, Macedonians or Vandals as valid members of a communal past. The mechanism used for distinguishing the ancestors from the others, contains the core elements that constitutes an understanding of itself and its community. For this purpose, Pribojevic used the criteria applied since the early Middle Ages, to distinguish various ethnic groups, namely descent, language and customs.
This study uses Pribojevic's oration as a case study in the research of early modern protonationalism. The aim is, through the use of an ethno-symbolic framework analyse Pribojevic's understanding of collective identity, to show it as a new model of Dalmatian patriotism, one consciously built on the Slavic character of 16th century Dalmatia. Furthermore, the study will suggest that unlike the works from the later period known as "Slovinstvo," which placed an emphasis on the special relationship between South Slavs nad Illyrians, Pribojevic's narrative operated on two different levels, a Dalamtian and pan-Slavic. There is no special notion of unity or relationship to the other south Slavs. To the author of Oratio Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia were of equal importance as Moscovia, Cassubia or Bohemia.

VinkoPribojeviAndTheGloryOfTheSlavs.pdf

[Daskalot]

Here is another interesting work by Domagoj Madunic.
Domagoj_Madunic_What_makes_Slavs_Slav_(draft).doc

[TrueMacedonian]

Daskalot thanks for the link. Here's something interesting I found on page 44 of that link that quotes Pribojevic's book:

So there is no reason for anyone to be puzzled that Ottoman Sultan put so much praise
in people of Slavic origin, that almost all of his commanders are appointed from their
ranks, and that he maintains the corps, almost 20,000 strong for his personal guard
composed of Thracians, Macedonians and Illyrians.142
Experience has shown, especially in this unfortunate times of ours, that Ottoman heirs,
by the use of Slavic troops overcame kingdoms, obtained empires, took over strongly
fortified cities and with all forces press to ruin the roman empire, and if the hand of
the God almighty do not assist us, they will destroy the true faith.

[TrueMacedonian]

This is also interesting from page 46:

To prove the Slavic character of the Macedonians, Pribojević's first step was to prove that their language is not same as that of the Greeks. To achieve this, he used an anecdote found in History of Alexander the Great by Quintus Curtius Rufus. According to the story told by Rufus (and retold by Pribojević), when Philotas son of
Parmenio was put on trial in front of the Macedonian army (large part of which were the Greeks), Alexander asked him, "Philotas, the Macedonians are going to judge you, state whether you will use your mother-tongue in front of them." Philotas answered that he will not, because not everyone will be able to understand him, which provoked Alexander to respond, that Philota hates his mother-tongue.148
The conclusion Pribojević draws from this short story is that Philotas decided not to speak his native language (Macedonian) in front of the army because it was a different one from the common language of the entire army (Greek). Since the Macedonians and Greeks did not speak the same language, they can not be considered the same people. So Hvar Dominican argues: it has become the custom of old, that the unity of the descent is proved by unity of the speech, and thus we consider as the members of the same kin, only those who have in
tender age together with the mothers milk, also mothers-tongue received.
This, for him proves that the Macedonians have always, as today, spoke only the
Slavic language, and are therefore Slavs.

[Daskalot]

Here is the republished edition of Mauro Orbini's great work, it is from 1968 and it is in Serbian.

Mavro_Orbin-Kraljevstvo_Slovena.pdf

[Delodephius]

And this book was published in AD 1532, now is it? And Mauro Orbini's in AD 1601? Both, way back then, claimed ancient Macedonians spoke a form of Slavic like the Macedonians of their time spoke. In the 16th century!

[Delodephius]

Here is the republished edition of Mauro Orbini's great work, it is from 1968 and it is in Serbian.

Mavro_Orbin-Kraljevstvo_Slovena.pdf

Actually that version is crap. If you read the text in red (assuming you know Serbian) the guy who published this PDF comments on the fact that the book starts from the page 242 because according to the historians who republished it the "previous parts are too complicated and boring for the general public". The book conveniently starts from the time of the Nemanić dynasty in Serbia, i.e. from the 12th century. The book is also stuffed with comments of the historians so to steer the reader into the correct way of thinking and interpreting Orbini's work. The original or it's full translation, especially the missing part from this version, I couldn't find anywhere.

[TrueMacedonian]

I would like to see text from Hanibal Lucic, Dinko Ranjin, Dominiko Zlataric, and Ivan Gundulic now. These are the 4 names that John Fine states have similar view with Orbini and Pribojevic.

[Daskalot]

Actually that version is crap. If you read the text in red (assuming you know Serbian) the guy who published this PDF comments on the fact that the book starts from the page 242 because according to the historians who republished it the "previous parts are too complicated and boring for the general public". The book conveniently starts from the time of the Nemanić dynasty in Serbia, i.e. from the 12th century. The book is also stuffed with comments of the historians so to steer the reader into the correct way of thinking and interpreting Orbini's work. The original or it's full translation, especially the missing part from this version, I couldn't find anywhere.

Tomas, it is better then nothing
It is a cleaned up version, I would like to see the original text, there are only bits and pieces of it on the internet, do you have any ability to find this book and the other in a library in Serbia?

[Daskalot]

And this book was published in AD 1532, now is it? And Mauro Orbini's in AD 1601? Both, way back then, claimed ancient Macedonians spoke a form of Slavic like the Macedonians of their time spoke. In the 16th century!

this is how the cookie crumbles, this is information that will be hard to digest for our Greek friends.

[TrueMacedonian]

Daskale with things like this as well http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...read.php?t=387

and this;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=408

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=794

And something from Russia with love

'Alexander the Great was Macedonian, tied to the present Macedonians" says in the faximille edition of the Russian 'Illustrated Notes' from the 16th century, reports daily Vecer.

The book has 10,000 pages, covering all of history until the 16th century. It was made on direct orders by the Russian czar Ivan Grozny. His wish had been for the Russian children to know the world's history.



(The above text needs further examination though apparently the Russians have confirmed this themselves.) They can deny until their faces turn blue.