Greece, History, Truth

[George S.]

the fact is they never staid in one place.They must have copied a lot from the phonecians who were seafarers.

[damian]

Why? How are Greek settlements located?

All along the sea coasts. No Greeks in the interior just on coastal toe holds. Grease possession of the area was always precarious. And the pattersn point to a sea people coming from the Middle East, Anatolia and North Africa. Do you know the Kurgan hypothesis?

The Grease position on Macedonia has nothing to do with reality but then again the grease usually dont live in reality. Illyria, Macedonia, Thrace, Thessaly etc are never part of Greece. Even the ancients did not call themselves greece until muc later and then only to the general area of the Attica, Peloponnese where the word-tribe grease originates, Ancient Crete never call themselves grease or Cypriots or islands.


I dont think people who destroyed their entire pseudo-country in the last 20 years and are now eating out of garbage cans have the right to speak about anything. Instead they should be asking what is really modern grease. The BS is over.

Why Greece stills claims all its northern territories have always been greek? That is obviously not true. In fact Greeks were a minority. And they only way they can continue to claim that is with propaganda and cultural genocide and expulsions and the terror they conducted there.

[Louis]

Why? How are Greek settlements located?

[damian]

Greece are colonisers in the Balkans even from ancient times. Look at how their settlements were located even on their supposed mainland. Its no different. The notion "Greece" comes alot later and is mostly propaganda. Problem is how many people had to be murdered, uprooted, deported, brainwashed in order for this propaganda to be implemented and serve specific interests.

[Carlin]

2:30 - 2:42: "Largely created by western scholars", "Need to create a European origin myth"...

Αρβανίτικα , η γλώσσα του 1821 - YouTube

[George S.]

yeah thats when we discover other material what tm finds that proves that we are the real macedonians.

[damian]

Yes thats true thats why more research has to be done.

[George S.]

have you seen their books are written hundreds of years after the event.

[damian]

I would add most of what we know about ancient Greece origins are in the form of religious myths/superstitions and incomplete and/or corrupted historical accounts by authors who have their own agendas.

[damian]

Yes, Illyria(what they call Epiros now), Thrace, Macedonia, Crete, Cyprus, what they call the Greek islands etc were NOT part of "Greece" which wasnt even a country but just a term used to describe a general area of Attica-Peloponnese.

[George S.]

That's right damian why did the romans divide the two provinces .the greek province & then the macedonian province it proves they were aseperate people.

[damian]

Onur, your out of your element buddy.

"And now two sacks of Corinth were witnessed during the period of Roman domination over the Peloponnesus, one in the days of Justinian the Great, who on this account later fortified the Isthmus [and the other as a consequence of the Fourth Crusade], for in Justinian's time three Scythian tribes, called the Kutrigurs, Utigurs, and Onogurs [Korrfyapot, Ourr^apot mi Ovvlyapoi], having crossed the Danube, one of these tribes ravaged upper Moesia, Pannonia, and Dalmatia and the regions right up to the Ionian Sea in a single expedition, while the Utigurs ravaged all Thrace and the Hellespontine Chersonese and all the territories on this side of the Hebrus to the very walls of the city of Constantine, and these Belisarius checked, outwitting and crushing them, but the Onogurs laying waste to Macedonia, Thessaly, Greece, and everything within Thermopylae, and pillaging even as far as Corinth, they straightway took the city without a single blow."

You also have Peter Charanis in your post. Your probably didnt even read a single paragraph from the guy. Seems like your bored today.

Yes see how he makes a distinction between all these places, Macedonia, Thessaly, Greece etc what do you think of your own citation Voltron?

[Voltron]

Onur, your out of your element buddy.

"And now two sacks of Corinth were witnessed during the period of Roman domination over the Peloponnesus, one in the days of Justinian the Great, who on this account later fortified the Isthmus [and the other as a consequence of the Fourth Crusade], for in Justinian's time three Scythian tribes, called the Kutrigurs, Utigurs, and Onogurs [Korrfyapot, Ourr^apot mi Ovvlyapoi], having crossed the Danube, one of these tribes ravaged upper Moesia, Pannonia, and Dalmatia and the regions right up to the Ionian Sea in a single expedition, while the Utigurs ravaged all Thrace and the Hellespontine Chersonese and all the territories on this side of the Hebrus to the very walls of the city of Constantine, and these Belisarius checked, outwitting and crushing them, but the Onogurs laying waste to Macedonia, Thessaly, Greece, and everything within Thermopylae, and pillaging even as far as Corinth, they straightway took the city without a single blow."

You also have Peter Charanis in your post. Your probably didnt even read a single paragraph from the guy. Seems like your bored today.

[Mikail]

Mikhail it's so ridiculous you got them greeks claiming to be turks & sultans etc.Or you got them greeks as turks but they can't speak turkish.Clowns is right they can't figure out who they are.

Well that's it George. Historically, there was no Greece until Achea was freed from Ottoman rule and was renamed Greece.

Because of this they feel the need to justify their existence by claiming Macedonian and now Roman history.

Am I onto something Ottoman?

[Mikail]

Well what's with beating the Greek drum then?