Yeah, he must have descended from one of those African tribes in 4th century BC Athens On a serious note though, there is a difference between regular curly or wavey hair, and the excessively curly type that we are referring to. You're in Athens now, just take a look outside your window, you'll know what I mean, but don't mistake the person you're looking at for one of those immigrants that you guys seem to try to lynch every few days In any case, I am not suggesting that this is the 'normal' Greek look, but it does appear to be more common in Greece and Italy than anywhere else in southern Europe.
Do Ancient Greeks have African Origins?
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^ Your right there is difference between curly hair and wavy hair.
Curly hair is certainly not uncommon here in Greece. Wavy hair is more prevalent though. But you will find just as many with straight hair too. We have a healthy mix of all. I never heard before that curly hair is some type of African genetic x factor. Not only is the hair of Africans curly but "waterproof" as well.
One thing that is also common is baldness. I noticed that a lot too over here and in the mediterrenean in general.
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Originally posted by Voltron View PostWhen we say African are you talking about Nubian type Africans ? Or more along the lines of Egypt / Carthage type ?
http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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Originally posted by Voltron View Postlol, I have never even seen that before. ^
You see.......there is much more to what your eduction system in Ellas brain wash you with.
You should visit some well known museums now and then. I know you are lazy (Just like the rest of your nation) but thanks to the internet, you can visit such places from home.
Better yet, just read the threads here on MTO we are The Louvre, The Vatican Museums, British Museum (just to name a few) all put together. And the good thing is, its all freehttp://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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Originally posted by Bill77 View PostJust because you cant see it it does not mean its not there my little Greek friend
You see.......there is much more to what your eduction system in Ellas brain wash you with.
You should visit some well known museums now and then. I know you are lazy (Just like the rest of your nation) but thanks to the internet, you can visit such places from home.
Better yet, just read the threads here on MTO we are The Louvre, The Vatican Museums, British Museum (just to name a few) all put together. And the good thing is, its all free
Thanks for pointing out more proof that the modern Greeks indeed share the same genes as our ancestors. I think your starting to come around Bill.
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Originally posted by Voltron View PostSo Bill. what kind of impact do you think Blacks had on Greeks ?
Originally posted by Voltron View PostHow many of them were around ?
Originally posted by Voltron View PostHow did they get to Greece ?
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Originally posted by Voltron View PostIm not a rocket scientist by all means, but when you say that the orginal Hellenes had a " Nubian Element " then point out to our "curley" hair today I can only come to a conclusion that we in fact share the same genes as our ancestors.
But please do read this thread (as you suggested) from the beginning.
But regarding this recent post of yours, if you read the preceding post, you will see that i don't think you are related to these original ancient Hellenes, but are related to,
Originally posted by Bill77 View PostAlbanian, Turk, Vlachs that had nothing in common with these racially mixed Ancient Hellenes.
Speaking of woolly (Curley) hair,
GREEK DESCRIPTIONS OF NEGROES
The Classical Greeks most commonly described Negroes as “Ethiopians”, or
In Diod. Sic. 3.8.2, Tetr. 2.2, and Strabo 15.1.24, Sext. Empiric. Adv. Ethicos, In Herodotus 7.70,43 for example, is associated with black skin, woolly hair, and a flat nose.
Herodotus even differentiates between the woolly-haired and the straight-haired Ethiopians, in relation to each other from West to East; which we today know is the result of Arabic/Semitic admixture.
In Arr. An. 5.4.4. Aristot. Probl. 10.66.698B., an Ethiopian’s skin is called the blackest in the world.
Lucian Adv. Indoctum 28. notes the proverbial
which means to “wash an Ethiopian white”.
When the Greeks wanted to illustrate blackness of color, they often selected the Ethiopian for this purpose. (Lucian Bis. Acc. 6. In which reference is made to tanning the skin until it resembles an Ethiopian’s, and Ach. Tat. 4.5.2, in which mention is made of a flower among the Greeks as dark as an Ethiopian’s skin.[/QUOTE]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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Black Youth Greece 300 BC
Modern Greeks shouldn't worry about the ancient Greeks/Africans, you are not related to them..we are talking about the ancient Hellenic tribes and city-states..
We should not forget that the ancient Hellenic city-states made up more slaves than the free citizens?
So can our greek friends tell us what happen to them..?The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!
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Friedrich Neubauer, Bernhard Seyfert, Lehrbuch der Geschichte 1. Teil (1922) (used on universities and other schools)
describing the Greek Colonization, 8th century BC... saylors and traders from Africa and Asia settling in several locations in the Mediteranian Area, like Atina and other... changing the society, creating NEW "Nation", Culture...
The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!
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J.A. Rogers, Parker (1917,1918).
Parker (1917,1918) used anthropological, archaeological, historical and classical sources to prove that blacks once lived in the Aegean. Parker (1917,1918) used the Greek classics to prove that the Pelasgians were of African origin. He also discussed the origin stories about the Pelasgic founders of selected Grecian cities and proved that these men were blacks and not Indo-Europeans. Parker (1917, pp.341-42) also observed that "the great Grecian epics are epics of an African people and Helen, the cause of the Trojan war, must henceforth be conceived as a beautiful brown skin girl" . These Africans sailed to the Greece from North Africa.
Early boat used by the ancient Pelasgians in Greece
Using archaeological evidence and the classical literature C.A. Winters (1983b) explained how the African/Black founders of Grecian civilization originally came from the ancient Sahara. Winters(1983b) makes it clear that these Blacks came to the Aegean in two waves 1) the Garamantes a Malinke speaking people that now live along the Niger river, but formerly lived in the Fezzan region of Libya; and 2) the Egyptians, Phoenicians and East Africans who were recorded in Greece's history as the Pelasgians. The Pelasgian civilization has been discussed in detail by Parker (1917,1918).
The Pelasgians founded many cities. The Pelasgian founding of Athens is noted by Plutarch in Theseus 12, and Ovid in Metamorphosis vii, 402 ff. According to Herodotus vii.91, the Pelasgians also founded Thebes. Many of these Athenians may have introduced the Geometric style to Greece during the so-called Dark Ages (1200- 600 BC).
Another by G. W. Parker wrote that:
"I need not go into details concerning the ethnical relations of the Romans, since they, too are Mediterranean and are closely related to the same African confederation of races ...[situated in Greece]. Aeneas, their mythical founder of Troy. The Aenead, like the Illiad, and Odyssey and all other of the world's great epics, is the poetic story dealing with African people". The heroes of these tales used long shields, the characteristic shields of the Indo-European speaking Greeks were round.The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!
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