Climategate......

[Buktop]

The solution is easy, and the technology exists, it is the oil and natural gas lobby's that prevent anything from passing through legislation

[Risto the Great]

You are a moron if you don't recognize the amount of, not only carbon emissions but pollution in general. Get real

So the world needs to develop a system to make money out of it to solve the problem. Is that fixing the problem or merely creating a negotiable instrument? Spare me with the "eco-guilt", if there were no sinister financial undercurrents involved I would be much happier with a world concensus for action.

[Prolet]

Buktop, With the current climate change meeting in Copenhagen do you see any major changes happening?

Some are calling it the most important meeting of the decade.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Why are we not tracking emissions per square metre for each country? It would seem logical to me as the largest offenders would be easily identified.

I think that should be the way to go, and then we can also identify who is capable of actually meeting some of these goals and who isn't, while comparing them to the worst offenders and then correcting behaviour problems.

I don't believe that climate change is a scam.

[Napoleon]

Climategate may be one of the greatest scams in world history, but I still think Hellasgate, (the Anglo-German plan to create an artificial nation called 'Greece' in the 1830's, and then successfully convince its majority Turk, Albanian, Gypsie and Vlach population that they are directly descended from the ancient Hellenes) an even greater scandal.

[El Bre]

Listen, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but, there is definately something afoot here. Whether it is about the redistribution of wealth or some kind of world government ambition, it seems to me that green has become the new red.

[Struja]

Carbon tax is the ultimate tax, it is a tax on life itself.

Environmentalism and the global warming alarmism are challenging our freedom.

The so called Carbon tax is nothing more than a political movement, so if you break wind expect a carbon tax fart/per year charge.. Something doesn’t smell right here!

I agree with you Daskalot, it’s a bloody scam...

[I of Macedon]

The Coming of a New Ice Age
*By EPW Blog: Gerald E. Marsh**Sunday, February 24, 2008

Yet another dissenter of the church of global warming. Gerald Marsh is a retired physicist from the Argonne National Laboratory and a former consultant to the Department of Defense on strategic nuclear technology and policy in the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Administration.

The Coming of a New Ice Age

CHICAGO — Contrary to the conventional wisdom of the day, the real danger facing humanity is not global warming, but more likely the coming of a new Ice Age.*

What we live in now is known as an interglacial, a relatively brief period between long ice ages.* Unfortunately for us, most interglacial periods last only about ten thousand years, and that is how long it has been since the last Ice Age ended.*

How much longer do we have before the ice begins to spread across the Earth’s surface?* Less than a hundred years or several hundred?* We simply don’t know.

Even if all the temperature increase over the last century is attributable to human activities, the rise has been relatively modest one of a little over one degree Fahrenheit — an increase well within natural variations over the last few thousand years.*

While an enduring temperature rise of the same size over the next century would cause humanity to make some changes, it would undoubtedly be within our ability to adapt.*

Entering a new ice age, however, would be catastrophic for the continuation of modern civilization.*

One has only to look at maps showing the extent of the great ice sheets during the last Ice Age to understand what a return to ice age conditions would mean.* Much of Europe and North-America were covered by thick ice, thousands of feet thick in many areas and the world as a whole was much colder.*

The last “little” Ice Age started as early as the 14th century when the Baltic Sea froze over followed by unseasonable cold, storms, and a rise in the level of the Caspian Sea.* That was followed by the extinction of the Norse settlements in Greenland and the loss of grain cultivation in Iceland.* Harvests were even severely reduced in Scandinavia * And this was a mere foreshadowing of the miseries to come.

By the mid-17th century, glaciers in the Swiss Alps advanced, wiping out farms and entire villages. In England, the River Thames froze during the winter, and in 1780, New York Harbor froze.* Had this continued, history would have been very different.* Luckily, the decrease in solar activity that caused the Little Ice Age ended and the result was the continued flowering of modern civilization.

There were very few Ice Ages until about 2.75 million years ago when Earth’s climate entered an unusual period of instability.* Starting about a million years ago cycles of ice ages lasting about 100,000 years, separated by relatively short interglacial perioods, like the one we are now living in became the rule.* Before the onset of the Ice Ages, and for most of the Earth’s history, it was far warmer than it is today.*
Indeed, the Sun has been getting brighter over the whole history of the Earth and large land plants have flourished.* Both of these had the effect of dropping carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere to the lowest level in Earth’s long history.*

Five hundred million years ago, carbon dioxide concentrations were over 13 times current levels; and not until about 20 million years ago did carbon dioxide levels dropped to a little less than twice what they are today.

It is possible that moderately increased carbon dioxide concentrations could extend the current interglacial period.* But we have not reached the level required yet, nor do we know the optimum level to reach.*
So, rather than call for arbitrary limits on carbon dioxide emissions, perhaps the best thing the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the climatology community in general could do is spend their efforts on determining the optimal range of carbon dioxide needed to extend the current interglacial period indefinitely.
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NASA has predicted that the solar cycle peaking in 2022 could be one of the weakest in centuries and should cause a very significant cooling of Earth’s climate.* Will this be the trigger that initiates a new Ice Age?

We ought to carefully consider this possibility before we wipe out our current prosperity by spending trillions of dollars to combat a perceived global warming threat that may well prove to be only a will-o-the-wisp.
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Gerald Marsh is a retired physicist from the Argonne National Laboratory and a former consultant to the Department of Defense on strategic nuclear technology and policy in the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton Administration.* Readers may e-mail him at [email protected].

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