The Truth about Chaeronea - Macedon vs Greece

[TerraNova]

You obviously don't know who was on the battlefield.

PS-This lion has nothing to do with the lion at your avatar...This cat's origin is just East of your granpa's home...

[Risto the Great]

No problem TN. Just respond after each post with your opinion on the quotes.

[Soldier of Macedon]

TerraNova, you are clutching at straws like a typical loser.


For the disaster at Chaeronea was the beginning of misfortune for all the Greeks...............Pausanias

***The Macedonians won, there was no misfortune for them.

Though they did not fight on the Greek side against Phillip and the Macedonians at Chaeronea, nor later in Thessaly against Antipater, yet they did not actually range themselves against the Greeks.............Pausanias

***Who was the Greek side fighting? THE MACEDONIAN SIDE. Wake up and smell the coffee you liar.

Greek culture and civilization was spread and developed.
Do you disagree?
Do you believe that a "Macedonian culture" was spread?

The Greek tongue and certain cultural elements spread as a by-product of Alexander's campaigns, not because of Alexander's specific intent to turn everybody into "ethnic Hellenes". Of course Macedonian culture was also spread, as was Thracian and others which accompanied the Macedonians to Asia.

The common lie and misconception of modern Greeks about Phillip, Alexander and the Macedonians, and whether or not they acted in the interest of the Greeks, Greece or a unified "Greek ethnos", is put to bed with this quote:

This day put an end to the glorious sovereignty and ancient liberty of all Greece.................Justinus

***On that same day, the Macedonian Empire was born at the expense of the miserable Greeks. Which Greeks? All of them.

Greece was now wrought up to a high pitch of expectation at the thought of her future, and her peoples and cities all drew together, Euboeans, Achaeans, Corinthians, Megarians, Leucadians and Corcyraeans……………………Plutarch

You obviously don't know who was on the battlefield.

That much is obvious, you don't have a clue.

[Dejan]

Hahahaha "You don't even inhabit their lands...". Now i've heard it all.

Makedonci, how can you put up with the same crap recycled over and over again? This majmun is out of ideas and keeps regurgitating the same old story. I say dispose of him, just as Phillip and the Macedonians disposed of the athenians back in 338 BC.

[makedonin]

TN, Is the lion still at Chaeronea?

Look up here RtG

The lion is a funeral monument not only to the Theban dead,but to dead Greece. Greece remained a power by it's art and literature,but the Macedonian and then the Roman were it's rulers.

http://agema-makedonin.blogspot.com/2008/11/mark-spots-where-heroes-fell-richfield.html

[Risto the Great]

Makedonin,
A great link.
So much to read there.

[makedonin]

Makedonin,
A great link.
So much to read there.

yep, it speaks volumes.

something that Terry and Co. don't like to see at all.

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/ancient-macedonian-history/870-did-macedonians-confront-chaeronea-united-greek-army.html

Have a look at these idiots and the best they come up with, patting each other on the ass like a bunch little maggots for their sorry and pathetic 'arguments'.

None of the quotes I posted on the first page are mentioned, where the ancient authors are clear that this was a battle between Macedonians and Greeks, these jokers speak about the events like they were actually there and could read people's thoughts, basing their 'arguments' on everything but logic and reality.

And to top it off, my god I still can't believe these stupid fools, after having the below fabricated quote and OUTRIGHT LIE on the front page of their racist and propagandist website for so long, and then finally taking it down after they were disgraced by Macedonians time and time again when challenged to produce the chapter of where this elusive quote is written, they still mention it like it serves their idiotic purpose.

Holy shadows of the dead, I’m not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions

Can one of the Greeks here confirm this apparent "quote" that gets paraded around like some great victory when all it does is highlight what great lunacy many Neohellenes exhibit? These people go around claiming that it is an Alexander 'speech' which was cited by Curtius Rufus.

All attempts via Google lead to pathetic little Greek racist forums and greekplanet websites, indeed, they must be on another planet to produce lies like this. They even posted it on wikiquote, unbelievable LIARS!!

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Greek_language

Holy shadows of the dead, I’m not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions.
Alexander the Great addressing the dead Greeks of the battle of Chaeronia. Curtius Rufus, "Historia"

WHICH CHAPTER YOU LIARS??

If I am proved wrong then let it be, but I have been asking this question from Neohellenic patriots on the internet for the last couple of years and nothing.

[TrueMacedonian]

I think you guys utterly demolished this modern "greek" lie ten fold. The maggots (as if those ArvanitoSlavoVlachs have anything to do with ancient anything) will toss around more mixed facts, 20th century philhellenic texts, and utter trash and they are still proved wrong.
This ancient quote says alot to me:

Darius’ Greeks fought to thrust the Macedonians back into the water and save the day for their left wing, already in retreat, while the Macedonians, in their turn, with Alexander’s triumph plain before their eyes, were determined to equal his success and not forfeit the proud title of invincible, hitherto universally bestowed upon them. The fight was further embittered by the old racial rivalry of Greek and Macedonian. [p.119]

[Arrian 2.10]

[Вардарец]

This quote can go against every modern neohellenic lie.

When Phillip had once come into Greece, allured by the plunder of a few cities, and had formed an opinion, from the spoil of such towns as were of less note, how great must be the riches of all its cities put together, he resolved to make war upon the whole of Greece...............Justinus

When Philip had once come into Greece. WTF, wasn't he living in Greece? Wasn't Macedonian Greek? My my my ......