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  • NikodimMKD
    Banned
    • Apr 2009
    • 187

    Reunification of Macedonia?

    Do you think it is possible to see the reunification of Macedonia once again? I'm talking about the Republic along with Mala Prespa, Aegean, and Pirin Macedonia with Solun as the capital.

    How long will the process take? By what means can this be accomplished? Will we be alive to see this happen?
  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    #2
    Originally posted by NikodimMKD View Post
    Do you think it is possible to see the reunification of Macedonia once again? I'm talking about the Republic along with Mala Prespa, Aegean, and Pirin Macedonia with Solun as the capital.

    How long will the process take? By what means can this be accomplished? Will we be alive to see this happen?
    What you propose is not very likely to happen, what will be the most likely scenario is a united Macedonia within the EU, but divided by national borders, but with free movement of people and ideas.

    Why do you even care about a unification? Have you been to Macedonia?
    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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    • NikodimMKD
      Banned
      • Apr 2009
      • 187

      #3
      Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
      What you propose is not very likely to happen, what will be the most likely scenario is a united Macedonia within the EU, but divided by national borders, but with free movement of people and ideas.

      Why do you even care about a unification? Have you been to Macedonia?

      I remember my grandfather talking about it briefly before he died.

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      • King Makedon
        Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 187

        #4
        of course it is possible as the wheel always turns around by the time. but if we will see that happen during our lifetime, depends on the time.
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        The world belongs to Macedonia. Macedonia does not belong to the world, especially not to Macedonia's neighbouring countries.
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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15660

          #5
          I can't see it happening.
          But if human rights exist within the racist EU framework, the Macedonians will be assured of their rightful acknowledgment and preservation.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Thorvald
            Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 145

            #6
            It can only happen if Macedonia will get powerfull allies.

            I put my hope on a strong nationalist Germany and Russia, which must be friends again (like in the 19th century).

            With Germany and Russia on their side, Greece wont stand.

            First what we need is to demolish the EU.
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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15660

              #7
              Germany and Russia .... sorry Thorvald ... I can't see it happening!
              It will be the end of the EU, amongst other things.
              Risto the Great
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              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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              • Thorvald
                Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 145

                #8
                The end of the EU....

                Would that be really terrible?

                I live in the EU, and it doesn't benefit.
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                • Thorvald
                  Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 145

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                  Germany and Russia .... sorry Thorvald ... I can't see it happening!
                  It will be the end of the EU, amongst other things.
                  Here is another reading:

                  Germany becomes Russia’s closest partner in Europe

                  The ninth meeting of the Russian-German Forum, Petersburg Dialogue, which was set up eight years ago under the initiative of then-president Vladimir Putin and then-Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, took place in Munich on July 14-16.

                  Russia’s Dmitry Medvedev and Germany’s Angela Merkel held a meeting within the scope of the forum to discuss issues of cooperation between the two countries.

                  Germany has become Russia’s major partner in Europe during the recent years. To which extent are the Russian-German relations strong? Pravda.Ru interviewed one of the leading German experts on Russia, an expert with the German Council for Foreign Politics, Alexander Rar.

                  “How would you estimate the relations between Russia and Germany?”

                  “I would say that Germany is the closest partner for Russia in Europe and maybe in the whole world. The two countries always stand together when other states attempt to push Russia from Europe to Asia.”

                  “Which position does Germany has regarding the gas conflict between Russia and Ukraine?”

                  “We discussed this question at the German Council for Foreign Politics at the end if June. Germany virtually took Russia’s side. Russia will most likely become a member of the European gas consortium in the future because of Germany’s position on the matter.”

                  “Does Germany intend to build the Nord Stream gas pipeline?”

                  “As for Nord Stream, this project is doomed to be successful, because German firms have already invested in it. The German government will be taking a lot of effort to defend the project in spite of the fact that Poland and especially Sweden have been showing a lot of resistance against the project. But Germany will not stop there.

                  Europe has split in its attitude to the project, which is obviously a negative factor. Germany defends the project claiming that it will be good for everyone. German officials are seriously concerned about the pressure from Poland and Sweden, but the German government is not going to meet their instantaneous anti-Russian requirements.”

                  “Vladimir Putin is fluent in German. Has it played any role in the development of bilateral relations?”

                  “I think that it was a big mistake that we missed the chance to establish friendly relations with Russia during Putin’s eight years of presidency. Putin is probably the most Germany-oriented politician in Russia’s history. The two countries achieved a lot during his presidency. Putin’s knowledge of Germany and the German language will has obviously played a positive role. There will be no such chance after Putin, I’m afraid. We missed it because of Germany’s conservative US-oriented political elite.”



                  Which are the major discrepancies between the two countries?”

                  “The biggest one is about the United States. It has been 20 years after the end of the Cold War, but the USA continues to promote NATO’s eastward expansion. Many in Germany share this point of view. Russia is right: what is the point of expanding NATO if no one is going to attack Eastern Europe? If there is no terrorist threat, then what’s the point of the US military presence? The Kremlin is especially concerned about the plans to deploy the missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic.


                  “Moscow believes that the European security must be based on Europe only, without the participation of the United States. This is not the position that many people in Europe share.”

                  “What about Germany’s criticism about the supposedly poor state of democracy in Russia?”

                  “This is another contradiction between Russia and Germany. Germany believes that Russia must strengthen its democratic institutes. The nation wants Russia to develop the Western style of democracy. German politicians believe that it would ease business relations with Russia and improve Russia's image as a reliable partner.”

                  “Are Neo-Nazis strong in present-day Germany?”

                  “Nazism does not pose any threat to Germany today. This trash has been kicked out of Germany entirely. Local ultra right parties receive only two or three percent of votes at parliamentary elections in Germany. That is why, no one is going to take Russia’s Kaliningrad away, nor does Germany intend to seize other territories, which the nation lost as a result of WWII.”

                  Interview prepared by Sergey Balmasov and Vadim Trukhachev
                  Pravda.Ru

                  Germany becomes Russia’s closest partner in Europe and whole worldThe ninth meeting of the Russian-German Forum, Petersburg Dialogue, which was set up eight...
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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13675

                    #10
                    A German-Russian alliance would indeed be a powerful thing.
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • Thorvald
                      Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 145

                      #11
                      Thats the point of my comment, thanks SoM
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                      • King Makedon
                        Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 187

                        #12
                        you forgot the FRENCH. As you probably know in a few years germany and france will unite. Germans get French passports and French will get German passports. Both nations will learn both languages (like in luxembourg). It's already decided that this will happen by the french and german governement.
                        So i don't know what kind of policy they will have towards us and for the russians.
                        Today they are playing the game good cop (germany) and bad cop (France).
                        Last edited by King Makedon; 08-07-2009, 11:12 AM.
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                        • Jankovska
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1774

                          #13
                          How has Germany been good to us?

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                          • Pelister
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 2742

                            #14
                            The first thing to do would be to ASK the Albanian government if they can have cede this land.

                            In exchange for Mala Prespa and region - the Macedonian government can make certain commitments to the Albanian government - it could buy the land back, it could invest more in Albania, as well as give assurances that Albanians living there have full human rights, or possibly that Albanian is made an official language of the Macedonian State ...etc. All of this can be worked out.

                            They can do the same with the Bulgarian nation, and the Pirin region.

                            But they need a strategy, and there has to be an incentive to those countries giving land back.

                            A Federation - where land in Albania and Bulgaria, is handed back to Macedonia - but where in exchange for this land, both Albanian and Bulgarian, are made official langauges, of the Federation, and where these regions have administrative autonomy, and where Macedonia pays each State the equivalent of lost income or revenue from these regions.

                            The nuts and bolts can be worked out.

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