Most important Macedoniae leader of all times.

[julie]

Philip of Macedon, Alexander the Great, and all of the komiti and partisani.

and Chento, how could I forget

[Soldier of Macedon]

Dont get so sensitive, I dont know how to do it..

Forgive my ignorance of your own, I would have thought the quote button on the screen was a good indication.

[cagoro]

Welcome cagoro.
Fair call ... but pick a leader not a hero.

I will be honest, Delcev appeals to my intellect, but I feel he needed a bit more fight in him. Too smart for his own good I think.

Thanks brother,
I agree with you totally on your Goce Delcev comment, he wanted to beat the enemy mentally more then physically.
But i havent seen Pitu Guli get a mention at all. He was one of our biggest leaders, he fought ruthlessly agianst the turks. He acted, didnt think much, which at times is the right thing but could come to bite back just as hard.
Its hard to pick just one....

[Prolet]

Cagoro, Jordan Piperkata is also hardly mentioned

[cagoro]

Prolet, theres a lot of big names which havent been mentioned, Misirkov,Solunskite Atentatori, Petrov, Tosev and so on.

[aleksandrov]

...I will be honest, Delcev appeals to my intellect, but I feel he needed a bit more fight in him. Too smart for his own good I think.

He definitely had a strong intellect, but about the need for more fight in him, WHAT?

You must be relying only on what vassals masquerading as freedom-lovers wanted you to know about him.

"Deca, koj od vas ne mozhe da ja preskokne klupata na krajot na godinata, nema da pomine vo pogorno oddelenie; koj ne tepa koga go tepaat, ubavo da znae deka i jas kje go tepam, koj kje go prijavi za neshto svojot drugar, jazikot kje mu go presecham; koga nekoj kje izvrshi neshto losho, vie sami kje go kaznite..." Goce Delchev na svoite uchenici vo Novo Selo 1894 godina

"Goni gi upravnicite, mrazi gi i vostanuvaj protiv sekoj vlastelin." Goce Delchev 4 Maj 1897

"Kurazh i silna vera vo sebesi - toa e silata shto gi dava site uspesi." Goce Delchev 19 Maj 1899

"Oruzhje, oruzhje i pak oruzhje, tuka e silata i kolku poskoro go imame, tolku posigurni kje bideme." Goce Delchev 8 Juli 1900

"Da ja unishtime sekoja raka, koja se podiga da frli kal na nasheto zname; pat tolku ramen za nas, a kolku gibelen za sekoj nash protivnik." Goce Delchev Juni 1901

"Hristo zadade smrtonosen udar i zagina sam. Toj ni napomenuva shto ne ochekuva i nas, i jas im pozheluvam na site nas taka junachki da ja posretneme smrtta." Januari 1902

"Nikogash ne zaboravajte deka nie ne si pripagjame sebesi. Nashiot zhivot vekje e pozhrtvuvan pred oltarot na deloto, i koj od vas kje go zagubi toa soznanie, toj prestanuva da bide revolucioner. I taka, neka ne se plashime od smrtta. Kade i da ne najde, da ja prechekame so prezir i da ja pobedime." Goce Delchev Januari 1902

'Grizhete se da ja iskorenite taa slabost (chekanata pomosh odnadvor) i od najzabludeniot strashlivec, pa namesto toa, neka se rodi nepobedlivata sila na samodejnosta i reshitelnosta i togash veruvajte, sekoj eden kje se bori dokraj so najgolema zhestokost...." Goce Delchev, 17 Oktomvri 1895

"Vnatreshnata organizacija ne se stremi samo da im dava oruzhje na lugjeto, ami i da go razbie nivniot ropski duh." Goce Delchev 7 April 1901

"Drugari, koj e so dve srca, neka ostane tuka, akoj e so edno ama mashko, neka trgne so mene. Nie ne odime na svadba, tuku zaminuvame za Makedonija za da se borime za osloboduvanjeto na svojot narod." Goce Delchev Dekemvri 1902

"Nie nema zasega ushte da se ispravame gradi so gradi pred golemiot i mnogubroen neprijatel kako pred nekoj voz. No, nie sme tolku silni, iako sme pomalubrojni, da mu razvrtime povekje burmi, ta toja da se isturi i da padne. Niz takvi akcii kje go krevame borbeniot duh vo narodot, kje ja krshime silata na Otomanskata Imperija i kje go ubeduvame narodot vo mozhnosta da vodi pobedonosna vojna protiv mnogubrojniot neprijatel." Goce Delchev Dekemvri 1902

"Sloboda ni treba nam. Taka kako shto ja vladeeme nokjta, treba da go vladeeme i denot. I toa kje go postigneme ili kje izumreme." Goce Delchev Fevruari 1903

"Ako vostanie mozhe da se podigne so 1-40 dushi, Makedonija odamna kje beshe oslobodena drzhava: bidejki toa e nevozmozhno, ami treba narod za toa, shto treba da se pravi? Treba toj narod da se razbudi od petvekovniot dlabok son, koj go napravil Makedonecot dosta debel vo svesta za chovechkite pravdini..." Foce Delchev, 17 Oktomvri 1895

"Eden petstogodishen rob kje posegne po oruzhje ne od ochajanie, ami od zheleznata neophodnost, koja ja osoznal, da zhivee slobodno zashto inaku ne mozhe vekje da zhivee. Takov chovek nema da plamne brzo, da izbuvne od gnev, da se frli so glavata napred, pa shto kje bide neka bide. Toj kje promisli, kje proceni i potoa otkako gi podgotvil uslovite za pobedata po sekoja cena nema da ochajuva, ami kje se bori i kje se bie uporno." Goce Delchev vo predavanjeto "Borbite na narodite za pravda i sloboda" vo vechernite uchilishta za vozrasni vo Shtip i Bansko 1895/1896

"Vlasta e simbol na izmamata, na nasilieto, na grabezhot." Goce Delchev 4 Maj 1897

"Ovchka glavo, zapomni deka pred onie, na koi ja dolzhish mozhnosta da go napishesh svoeto ime chovek, treba da stoish bez kapa i koga gi pcuesh." Goce Delchev na 17 godini, kako uchenik vo Solunskata gimnazija, April 1889 godina

[Prolet]

"Deca, koj od vas ne mozhe da ja preskokne klupata na krajot na godinata, nema da pomine vo pogorno oddelenie; koj ne tepa koga go tepaat, ubavo da znae deka i jas kje go tepam, koj kje go prijavi za neshto svojot drugar, jazikot kje mu go presecham; koga nekoj kje izvrshi neshto losho, vie sami kje go kaznite..." Goce Delchev na svoite uchenici vo Novo Selo 1894 godina

He would be rolling in his grave today when he hears how many kodoshi and izdajnici there are today, its exactly what 70 years of communism does to you enough to brain wash everything our people believed in and fought hard for.

Thanks for the feedback Aleksandrov

[Risto the Great]

He definitely had a strong intellect, but about the need for more fight in him, WHAT?

You must be relying only on what vassals masquerading as freedom-lovers wanted you to know about him.

I know, I know .... it is blasphemy.
I didn't rely on anyone. I just looked at the results he achieved and wonder out loud what would have happened if a crazy bastard instead of an articulate gentleman was at the helm.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Aleksandrov, is there a reference point where we can obtain the selection of quotes you have provided from Delcev, or did you extract these from later biographies and compilations?

[Rogi]

Alexandrov,

When you have time, can you start a new thread with all the Goce Delcev quotes that you have?

There is no such resource anywhere online with the great quotes from Macedonian revolutionaries and it would be great to have all those quotes compiled together.

[sf.]

He would be rolling in his grave today when he hears how many kodoshi and izdajnici there are today, its exactly what 70 years of communism does to you enough to brain wash everything our people believed in and fought hard for.

There have always been kodoshi and people who look to personal before national gain. It happened before communism, it's happening now and will unfortunatly happen in the future.

I know, I know .... it is blasphemy.
I didn't rely on anyone. I just looked at the results he achieved and wonder out loud what would have happened if a crazy bastard instead of an articulate gentleman was at the helm.

I think the odds were too great against our fighters. You have to remember that we had a lot of different characters/personalities amongst them. Delčev rose to prominence exactly because of who he was and what he did.


What we also need to remember is that before everything, these people were human, with human faults, insecurities and potential for personal development. We look at their lives with hindsight, place them within the context of their time, treat their lives as a well defined and unique whole, and use this perception to assess their legacies. We forget that their experiences shaped them as they lived.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Good point with regard to your last paragraph.

[aleksandrov]

Alexandrov,

When you have time, can you start a new thread with all the Goce Delcev quotes that you have?

There is no such resource anywhere online with the great quotes from Macedonian revolutionaries and it would be great to have all those quotes compiled together.

Good idea. I should get them all into a single Word document first though.

[aleksandrov]

... I just looked at the results he achieved and wonder out loud what would have happened if a crazy bastard instead of an articulate gentleman was at the helm.

He probably would have died a lot younger and achieved much less, except in the form of mythological greatness.

[aleksandrov]

Aleksandrov, is there a reference point where we can obtain the selection of quotes you have provided from Delcev, or did you extract these from later biographies and compilations?

They can be found in various books on Delchev, which largely rely on the same sources. I usually refer to Hristo Andonov Poljanski's "Goce Delchev", published by Istarska Naklada (Pula, 1985) and "GOCE DELCHEV VO SHEST TOMA", edited by Hristo Andonov-Poljanski, published by Kultura (Skopje, 1972). The latter includes a whole volume consisting of archival records of Delchev's correspondence (Volume II), a volume consisting of memoir entires about Delchev by his contemporaries (Volume III), a volume consisting of historical documents, articles, journal entries, chronology, sayings and bibliography of sources (Volume IV), a volume of poetry and literary works about Delchev (Volume V), and a volume of pictures, including photos of historical newspaper articles etc relating to Delchev (Volume VI).