my iGENEA test

[Karposh]

Carlin, just out of curiosity, why are there two categories indicating a 95.7% "Highly Likely Match". Do the results show a stronger ancestry match for the Peloponnese or southern Albania? I think I remember you once stating that your ancestors came to Macedonia from Moskopole (Albania) which makes the southern Albanian "Highly Likely Match" a remarkably close match. Do you perhaps have an ancestor (from your mum or dad's side) that you might or might not be aware of with roots from the Peloponnese?

[Risto the Great]

Were you surprised with the result Carlin?

[Carlin]

Carlin, just out of curiosity, why are there two categories indicating a 95.7% "Highly Likely Match". Do the results show a stronger ancestry match for the Peloponnese or southern Albania? I think I remember you once stating that your ancestors came to Macedonia from Moskopole (Albania) which makes the southern Albanian "Highly Likely Match" a remarkably close match. Do you perhaps have an ancestor (from your mum or dad's side) that you might or might not be aware of with roots from the Peloponnese?

Karposh - the following is the 'complete' report. I believe the results show an equivalent ancestry match for the Peloponnese and southern Albania (Epirus); however, "Highly Likely Match" appears to show the closest connection to Greece as a whole.

I don't know how their algorithm works to be honest, but it might be possible I might not be aware of those roots you pointed out. As an example, I do know (based on detailed family research I did) that from my wider family some people migrated and settled in Greece a while back. One person went to Athens (it's possible he was related somehow to my great-grandmother, from my mother's side). Some could have ended up in the Peloponnese (?), but also, this could go even further back to a time period I am not even aware of. [I can say with confidence that based on what I was able to research and find out that most of my non-Macedonian ancestors hail from Epirus, including specifically the area or region that's part of Greece].

FWIW, don't forget I also have Macedonians in my family tree and they are native Macedonians so I'm not sure how (southern) Greece or Bulgaria (Haskovo, Stara Zagora) come into picture here.




RTG, I can't say I'm surprised by the results.

PS: Furthermore, the report says that I am 0.5% Italian, which is within statistical error. However, they explain with "confidence" as follows regarding my Italian ancestry:

"You most likely had a third-great-grandparent, fourth-great-grandparent, fifth-great-grandparent, sixth-great-grandparent, or seventh-great- (or greater) grandparent who was 100% Italian. This person was likely born between 1710 and 1830."

[According to AncestryDNA "I am" 69% Greece & the Balkans and 31% Eastern Europe & Russia.]

[Risto the Great]

So you're an ancient Greek after all!

This would be great to do. I just can't bring myself to connect my DNA to my credit card for the world to see!

[Karposh]

I have to be honest, I am very wary (and maybe a little paranoid) about voluntarily giving away samples of my DNA to be analysed (and, who knows, maybe even stored) in this modern age of Big Brother. Even if it does seem like an innocent enough and frivolous exercise to satisfy some kind of curiosity about our past, I'm still very cautious nevertheless. I feel the same way about the latest fad of having a "Google Assistant" listening in on our lives at home. Sometimes I wish I was back in the selo...Honestly.

[tchaiku]

Vlach gedmatch
[1] "distance%=6.7438"⁸

xyz

Kosovo,27.8
GR_Ipeiros,24.6
North_Albania,15.4
GR_Peloponese,15
GR_Macedonia,2.8
IT_Piedmont,2.2
South-West_Romania,1.8
GR_Thrace,1
IT_Veneto,1
Western_Serbians,1
Extremadura,0.8
Assyrians,0.4
Bosniaks,0.4
GR_Chios,0.4
GR_Kalymnos,0.4
IT_Abruzzo,0.4
La_Rioja,0.4
South-East_Romania,0.4
Algerian_Jew,0.2
Cantabria,0.2
Cataluna,0.2
Central_Romania,0.2
FR_Basque,0.2
France_Ashkenazy,0.2
GR_Central,0.2
Latvia_Ashkenazy,0.2
Malta,0.2
Navarra,0.2
North-East_Romania,0.2
País_Vasco,0.2
PL_Subcarpathia,0.2
Romanian_Jew,0.2
Smolensk,0.2
South_Romania,0.2
Ukraine_NE,0.2
Ukraine_Volhyn,0.2

with penalization=0

[1] "distance%=5.8477"

xyz

GR_Ipeiros,46.8
Kosovo,20.2
North_Albania,14
Yemen_Jew,5.2
Neumark(East_Brandenburg),4.4
País_Vasco,3.8
South-West_Romania,2.4
IT_Piedmont,1.2
Lazes,1.2
Ulchi,0.6
FR_South-West,0.2

[tchaiku]

Vlachs diverge from each other, another Vlach:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.02
2 West_Med 21.87
3 North_Atlantic 21.17
4 Baltic 16.35
5 West_Asian 11.19
6 Red_Sea 4.13


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.276439
2 Tuscan @ 9.292682
3 Italian_Abruzzo @ 9.493012
4 Bulgarian @ 9.824978
5 Central_Greek @ 10.050969
6 West_Sicilian @ 10.104197
7 East_Sicilian @ 11.187626
8 Romanian @ 11.865022
9 North_Italian @ 13.625366
10 Ashkenazi @ 14.309993
11 South_Italian @ 14.413995
12 Serbian @ 16.406748
13 Algerian_Jewish @ 20.786137
14 Italian_Jewish @ 20.870052
15 Sephardic_Jewish @ 21.006218
16 Portuguese @ 22.820032
17 Spanish_Extremadura @ 23.107140
18 Moldavian @ 23.481903
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 23.956583
20 Spanish_Andalucia @ 24.470901

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% West_Sicilian @ 2.073436


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% South_Italian +25% Tuscan @ 1.955132


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan @ 1.810398
2 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 1.877143
3 Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 1.899047
4 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian @ 1.932378
5 Central_Greek + Croatian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 1.941572
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Tuscan @ 1.955132
7 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Tuscan @ 2.055792
8 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + West_Sicilian + West_Sicilian @ 2.073436
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Lebanese_Christian + Southwest_French @ 2.078463
10 Croatian + Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.078480
11 Central_Greek + East_Sicilian + Moldavian + Tuscan @ 2.083986
12 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 2.090999
13 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian + Tuscan @ 2.091534
14 Central_Greek + Croatian + West_Sicilian + West_Sicilian @ 2.112457
15 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Samaritan + Southwest_French @ 2.114344
16 Algerian_Jewish + Central_Greek + Croatian + North_Italian @ 2.118917
17 Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 2.124988
18 Central_Greek + Croatian + East_Sicilian + Tuscan @ 2.125291
19 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Moldavian + Tuscan @ 2.125926
20 Algerian_Jewish + Central_Greek + Moldavian + North_Italian @ 2.126534

Done.

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[tchaiku]

Bulgaria_IA=Thracian
Dalmatia_IA=Proto Illyrian.

Thracians closer to ancient Greeks than Modern Greeks.



A Macedonian from Kumanovo can be modeled as half Thracian and half early Slavic.

[1,] "44.7% ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o + 55.3% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0177"
[2,] "49.2% Baltic_EST_IA + 50.8% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0194"
[3,] "34.4% Anatolia_Isparta_EBA + 65.6% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0196"
[4,] "50.2% ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance + 49.8% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0197"
[5,] "45% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2 + 55% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.02"
[6,] "51% BGR_IA + 49% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.02"
[7,] "38.9% GRC_Mycenaean + 61.1% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0203"
[8,] "44.8% BGR_IA + 55.2% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0203"
[9,] "49.6% Baltic_EST_MA + 50.4% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0204"
[10,] "53.5% Baltic_EST_MA + 46.5% BGR_Krepost_N" "0.0208"
[11,] "44.9% GRC_Mycenaean + 55.1% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.0209"
[12,] "48% IND_Roopkund_B + 52% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0213"
[13,] "56.4% ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance + 43.6% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.0214"
[14,] "50.7% ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o + 49.3% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.0215"
[15,] "35.3% BGR_Krepost_N + 64.7% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0215"
[16,] "33.9% Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA + 66.1% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0217"
[17,] "57.5% ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity + 42.5% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.0218"
[18,] "35.1% BGR_Krepost_N + 64.9% HUN_Avar_Szolad" "0.0223"
[19,] "33.6% Anatolia_Ovaoren_EBA + 66.4% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0224"
[20,] "58.6% ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o + 41.4% RUS_Ingria_IA" "0.0224"
[21,] "41.1% BGR_Krepost_N + 58.9% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.0225"
[22,] "56.6% Baltic_EST_IA + 43.4% GRC_Minoan_Lassithi" "0.0225"
[23,] "51.3% ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity + 48.7% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0225"
[24,] "41.2% ITA_Collegno_MA_o1 + 58.8% RUS_Sunghir_MA" "0.0226"
[25,] "43.3% Baltic_EST_BA + 56.7% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0226"
[26,] "49.8% Baltic_EST_MA + 50.2% GRC_Mycenaean" "0.0228"
[27,] "53.1% Baltic_EST_IA + 46.9% BGR_Krepost_N" "0.0228"
[28,] "37.5% Baltic_EST_BA + 62.5% BGR_IA" "0.0229"
[29,] "57.1% Baltic_EST_MA + 42.9% GRC_Minoan_Lassithi" "0.023"
[30,] "62.1% ITA_Rome_MA + 37.9% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Euro" "0.023"

[tchaiku]

I forgot to mention that this Macedonian is an outlier. Usually Macedonians score less Slavic around 40-45%.
Greeks from Thrace and Macedonia are about the same with slightly less Slavic around 35% to 40%.

I believe the ancient Macedonians were identical to Thracians genetically and maybe Epirotes too.

[Carlin]

Apparently, the Bulgarians are of GREEK ORIGIN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld472CLbhiQ

[Carlin]

23andMe has this feature called DNA Relatives Map. This is where some of "my closest relatives" appear on this map.

Macedonia


Greece


North America

[maco2envy]

23andMe seems like it has a lot more useful functionality than AncestryDNA, with the later being way too focused on people with british ancestry. Wouldn't mind doing 23andMe, but I don't think they accept data transfers and thus no discount. Geez, at least some sort of spatial distribution of matches would be appreciated.

By the way, I am not sure if it has been mentioned here, but the macedonian wikipedia has family genealogies for many villages (at least within the Ohrid-Bitola regions). I found out that my paternal lineage originates from what is now Albania with the clan-founder settling in Macedonia during the 18th century. Really highlights the amount of Macedonians that migrated out of Albania throughout the Ottoman period.

[Carlin]

23andMe seems like it has a lot more useful functionality than AncestryDNA, with the later being way too focused on people with british ancestry. Wouldn't mind doing 23andMe, but I don't think they accept data transfers and thus no discount. Geez, at least some sort of spatial distribution of matches would be appreciated.

By the way, I am not sure if it has been mentioned here, but the macedonian wikipedia has family genealogies for many villages (at least within the Ohrid-Bitola regions). I found out that my paternal lineage originates from what is now Albania with the clan-founder settling in Macedonia during the 18th century. Really highlights the amount of Macedonians that migrated out of Albania throughout the Ottoman period.

Maco2envy, do you know which part of Albania your paternal lineage originated from?

[maco2envy]

Somewhere in southern Albania is all I know unfortunately.

[VMRO]

23andMe seems like it has a lot more useful functionality than AncestryDNA, with the later being way too focused on people with british ancestry. Wouldn't mind doing 23andMe, but I don't think they accept data transfers and thus no discount. Geez, at least some sort of spatial distribution of matches would be appreciated.

By the way, I am not sure if it has been mentioned here, but the macedonian wikipedia has family genealogies for many villages (at least within the Ohrid-Bitola regions). I found out that my paternal lineage originates from what is now Albania with the clan-founder settling in Macedonia during the 18th century. Really highlights the amount of Macedonians that migrated out of Albania throughout the Ottoman period.

Hey brat, have you got the link to the wikipedia for family genealogies.