Macedonians Don't Believe in Solidarity

[Risto the Great]

Who says EU at any cost? I'm still waiting (3 weeks or more) for your "promise" to answer the questions about certain claims you've made in regards to Macedonian debt and other claims on Bulgaria. Is that promise still a promise or is that some shitty politician promise?

I prepared half a response. But it then occurred to me that I should have the knowledge that you have about future funding from the EU and some very specific details about the nature of the funding and terms of the debt related thereto. Otherwise there is a lot of guesswork. I think it would be safe to assume the EU does not have the capacity to throw around money like the good old days. But need your input because you seem to know.

I will look backwards in relation to the EU, will you be precise about the future of Macedonia within the context of Macedonia' inclusion in the community?

But why am I even talking with someone who is doing Greece's bidding?

[Louis Riel]

So much for solidarity hey)United we stand divided we fall....y'all.

[Currency Trader]

No worries CT, Republic of Macedonia (Skopje) is fine with you. Efharisto file mou

... I am speaking your language maggot

The day I approve RoM Skopje is the day that you will show the ultimte high moral ground by leaving your safe and sweet life in Australia for the sake of showing citizens of Macedonia how politics should be done.

But its safe to say that the odds for that to happen is close to zero. Your wonderful life with money in the bank and job opportunities in Australia speaks louder than the thought of relocating to Macedonia.

Case closed young man.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

So much for solidarity hey United we stand divided we fall....y'all.

Why, organizations love using the word "united" is really amazing because that's hardly the case. ie United Church

[Louis Riel]

Why, organizations love using the word "united" is really amazing because that's hardly the case. ie United Church

I think its all got to do with "marketing".

If you look at it,most organisations with the word "united" in their title are born out of some type of disunity.

[Risto the Great]

The day I approve RoM Skopje is the day that you will show the ultimte high moral ground by leaving your safe and sweet life in Australia for the sake of showing citizens of Macedonia how politics should be done.

But its safe to say that the odds for that to happen is close to zero. Your wonderful life with money in the bank and job opportunities in Australia speaks louder than the thought of relocating to Macedonia.

Case closed young man.

You did approve it by using the typical DPmNE doublespeak. Admittedly you did not offer an immediate change but you still tried to use some veiled method for "considering" how a new name could happen. Because Macedonians deserve to be treated like fuckwits according to some people (like you and Macedonia's politicians).

I don't have much money in the bank. Mostly properties if you really want to know.

You do have a point that Macedonia should change its name in order to secure unknown benefits with unknown conditions related thereto. How could I possibly understand this living in my lap of luxury? Even my personal fluffer gets more than the average wage.

The poor Macedonians with no money, food or dignity will get it all back as soon as they sign away their identity apparently.

The poor Macedonians don't even know they have already signed away the right to protect their own industries just for a "chance" to get into the EU. Could I use this as a political platform CamelToe or do you think it might be wiser to advocate a new name like Former Macedonian Republic Now EU's Bitch? ( FMRNEUB )

Is the case open again? How much is in the case? What conditions are attached?

[Vangelovski]

Your wonderful life with money in the bank and job opportunities in Australia speaks louder than the thought of relocating to Macedonia.

The same old Gligorovist rubbish for the past 20 years! Natural rights, sovereignty, democracy, transparancy and accountability. That is what we are discussing. These concepts are universal, no matter where you live or how much money you have in the bank. There is no excuse for Macedonian politicians failing to meet the highest standards in relation to these matters.

Your blind apologism on behalf of our morally corrupt politicians demonstrates to us your own values.

[makedonche]

CT

Remarks like this:

Your wonderful life with money in the bank and job opportunities in Australia speaks louder than the thought of relocating to Macedonia.

...demonstrate an ignorance beyond comprehension! How do you think that money got there? Do you think we became Australians by forsaking our identity in return for jobs and a secure lifestyle? Do you think it's possible we may actually have it right here in Australia and that it may be a good idea to use the Australian model as a template for Macedonia?

[Soldier of Macedon]

The same old Gligorovist rubbish for the past 20 years! Natural rights, sovereignty, democracy, transparancy and accountability. That is what we are discussing. These concepts are universal, no matter where you live or how much money you have in the bank. There is no excuse for Macedonian politicians failing to meet the highest standards in relation to these matters.

Your blind apologism on behalf of our morally corrupt politicians demonstrates to us your own values.

Don't you just love it how these hypocrites who live in the EU talk about our apparently 'cosy' lifestyle in Australia? And when people from Macedonia share our sentiments about the Macedonian Cause, what do people like CT say to them from their comfortable homes in Sweden? Ultimately, there are two types of Macedonians emerging, one type would choose 'promises' of economic benefit over national sovereignty and integrity (like CT, Meto, FyrOM, etc), while the other type is not prepared to compromise on the latter on any level, and wishes to see a strong and united Macedonian republic and people before they go and 'conquer the world'.

[Makedonska_Kafana]

I think its all got to do with "marketing".

If you look at it,most organisations with the word "united" in their title are born out of some type of disunity.

Most, are created through division. Why, would anyone think they can do better then their predecessor's? Tom, why was the word "united" chosen?

Logic

United Macedonians and United Macedonian Diaspora means neither is "united". Members are "united"? I, can tell you that in both cases that's not a fact which is normal.

[Pelister]

You are suggesting Macedonia in fact has capable politicians already. Can you identify any capable politicians or political parties in Macedonia at the moment?

That's Currency Trader's thesis, our politicians are doing a damn find job of it, oh, and that the sun shines out of the arse of the E.U institution.

[Pelister]

Everything is relative. What might be capable politicians may not be for you or any other good life living Australian.

What I'm suggesting, is that those of you (including yourself pehaps) who claim shitty politicians in Rep. of Macedonia, to simply drop your good lifes and move to RoM and show the citizens how politics should be done. You're not doing anything by sitting on the internet and writting in a forum how shitty politicians there are in RoM. Take some REAL action instead.

Currency Trader - Another UMD supporter who thinks whats happening right now is not only normal, by 'right'.

The case that "Everything is relative" isn't a case at all. It's just more spineless garbage devoid of principles. You can't "show someone" how to defend their rights - the kind of moral, ethical and legal defence of our human rights is not something someone is born with. It starts with knowing your rights in law, first, and having the courage and the fortitude to see it through.

A couple things stand out:

1. According to legal experts, we are not formally blocked from the U.N (so the question has to be asked, what the hell is Gruevski doing?)
2. The Macedonian people are against 'negotiations' (so what the fk is Gruevski doing?)
3. Our identity was never a bargaining chip (so what's he doing?)

[George S.]

Pelister is right CT what are you doing.We understand why you are doing it as you actually prefer capitulation & compromise just so that you can join the eu.Even though our name is not up for bargaining you still prefer to bargain.Also You actually approve of the change of name so that macedonia can join the eu.We don't approve it neither does a majority of the macedonian people.
So tell us what the fuck is gruevski doing????

[Phoenix]

All of you guys living in Australia live in wonderland with money, jobs, good health, paid vacations, cars, houses etc.

Yes, that is relative. You're catching up to become a good politician ready to leave your safe and harmonious life in Australia for the sake of helping the citizens of Macedonia on how politics should be done.

Yeah, life was good in Australia...unfortunately a decade of drought has lead to the demise of my sacred money tree...and the golden goose lives in Sweden...

[Currency Trader]

RtG said:

You did approve it by using the typical DPmNE doublespeak

DPmNE who?

Repeat: The day I approve RoM Skopje is the day that you will show the ultimate high moral ground by leaving your safe and sweet life in Australia for the sake of showing citizens of Macedonia how politics should be done.

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Because Macedonians deserve to be treated like fuckwits according to some people (like you and Macedonia's politicians).

Negative – Macedonians themselves (those who vote) will decide what’s best for them and what government party they want.


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I don't have much money in the bank. Mostly properties if you really want to know.

Why not sell the property and move to Rep. Macedonia so you can show the citizens how proper politics should be conducted, that way the country can get a new rising star in politics who will simply replace the “shitty politicians”?


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The poor Macedonians with no money, food or dignity will get it all back as soon as they sign away their identity apparently.

Really – Not familiar with the idea that Macedonians in RoM will sign away their identity.


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The poor Macedonians don't even know they have already signed away the right to protect their own industries just for a "chance" to get into the EU.

Really – What right to protect their own industries have they already signed away?

How different is this to all other Eastern, Northern and Central European countries that have decided to join EU?


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