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  • lavce pelagonski
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 1993

    Violation of fundamental human rights during the census in Poland

    Katowice, June 24th 2011
    Dear Sir/Madam,

    This is to inform you that a national population census was held in Poland from April to the end of June. The Silesian Autonomy Movement, a regional party active in the region of Silesia (Śląskie) where it has formed a ruling coalition, has just been informed that there was a serious violation of fundamental human rights during the census procedures.
    It is noteworthy to mention that the census is conducted by three different means: using a so-called “hand-held” device carried by census collectors during their visit of citizens, through the internet and by telephone. Even though it was possible by the first two means for people to declare their Silesian nationality through choosing the option “other nationality” and entering “Silesian”, by the third means all data collected was automatically enterted as Polish in the “nationality” option.
    The occurence of this violation was reported to Silesian Autonomy Movement officials by a person from the town of Piekary Śląskie (some 20 km away from Katowice, the regional capital) who was refused to be classified as “Silesian” during a telephone interview conducted by a census consultant.
    Moreover, the census consultant has confirmed that all people interviewed by telephone will automatically be classified as Polish by nationality, which was further confirmed by a representative of the local Polish Central Statistical Office in Katowice, responsible for conducting the national census.
    The procedures employed in this census are not only scandalous but violate basic human rights by distorting census results with regard to the various different nationalities existing in Poland.
    We therefore would like to ask for your help with this. Please give us your support in our endeavour to publicize this issue. If possible please request an explanation from Polish officials.

    With our best regards,
    Jerzy Gorzelik – RAS President, Bartłomiej Świderek – RAS International Relations
    Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

    „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов
  • Delodephius
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 736

    #2
    Poles also refuse to recognize the Slovak minority living in Poland. They just want to brag that their country is 99% Polish.
    अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
    उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
    This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
    But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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    • lavce pelagonski
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 1993

      #3
      Delod I was actually waiting for your thoughts on this.
      I just just got this news from a friend living in Poland.
      What more can you say about this.
      Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

      „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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      • Delodephius
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 736

        #4
        Not much. All I know is what an ethnologist friend of mine told me last year and that is that Poland does not recognize other ethnicities within its borders. Silesians and Kashubians are treated as Polish sub-ethnicities with their own dialects and that is all. Slovaks, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Ruthenians are not recognized as ethnic minorities. All of Poland is pure Polish and pure Catholic. I do not know whether it is completely true, I will need to look around a bit.
        अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
        उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
        This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
        But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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        • lavce pelagonski
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 1993

          #5
          Very similar to a certain Balkan neighbor(s).
          Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

          „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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          • Mastika
            Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 503

            #6
            Originally posted by Delodephius View Post
            Not much. All I know is what an ethnologist friend of mine told me last year and that is that Poland does not recognize other ethnicities within its borders. Silesians and Kashubians are treated as Polish sub-ethnicities with their own dialects and that is all. Slovaks, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Ruthenians are not recognized as ethnic minorities. All of Poland is pure Polish and pure Catholic. I do not know whether it is completely true, I will need to look around a bit.
            This is not true. In fact apart from the silesians and kashubians, who are treated as ethnic Poles, all the other minorities apart from Macedonians and Greeks are recognised. Before 1991 Macedonians and Greeks were recognised as ethnic minorities, however, since then that recognition has been stripped from them.

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            • Mastika
              Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 503

              #7
              Originally posted by SirGeorge8600
              @Mastika...it is because in 1991 the Polish parliament saw it unfeasible to officially recognize/state the presence of minorities whom were in insignificant numbers.
              No, in fact there are minorities which are less numerous than both the Greek and Macedonian communities.

              If I remember correctly, it had more to do with the fact that they were not 'natively' found on the territory of Poland.

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              • Delodephius
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 736

                #8
                Poland was quite multicultural in the past. This however changed after WWII. Here are a few videos about the different cultures that once existed in Poland and what remains of them today.

                YouTube - ‪A Commonwealth of Diverse Cultures - Norman Davies comments Polish history‬‏

                Orthodox Christians/Ruthenians
                YouTube - ‪"Cyrillic Method" - Polish Orthodox heritage‬‏

                Armenians
                YouTube - ‪"Armenian Character" - Armenian influences on Polish culture‬‏

                Jews
                YouTube - ‪"Shofar Away" - A history of Polish Jews‬‏

                Muslims
                YouTube - ‪"Facing Southeast" - Muslim Tatars in Poland‬‏

                Lithuanians
                YouTube - ‪"Oh Lithuania, My Country..." - A Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth‬‏

                The French
                YouTube - ‪"French Connection" - French presence in Poland‬‏

                Italians (btw, in Polish Italians are called Vlachs (Włosi) and Italy is Włochy or Włoska)
                YouTube - ‪"All Roads Lead from Rome" - Italians under Polish rule‬‏

                Germans
                YouTube - ‪"Deutsche Vita" - Germans in the Commonwealth‬‏
                अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्।
                उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥
                This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count.
                But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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                • lavce pelagonski
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1993

                  #9
                  Delod thanks for posting very informative.
                  Here is what my friend has to say
                  As for Polish regulations on minorities we have a law on national and ethnic minorities the former having their own "mother state" outside Poland the latter having no state. Officially there are following national minorities in Poland:
                  Belarussian, Czech, Lithuanian, German, Armenian, Russian, Slovak, Ukrainian, Jewish
                  There are also four officially recognized ethnic minorities:
                  Karaim, Lemko-Rusyn, Roma, Tartar
                  As you can see Silesian are not listed in either.

                  Poland claims that Silesians are merely Poles, to a large extent unaware of a Polish nationality. It is like a Bulgarian claim that Macedonians are just Bulgarians even though they dare to have a different opinion in that matter.

                  I attach a link to a brief description of minorities living in Poland published on wikipedia - not always a reliable source of information but in this case very informative:
                  Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                  „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                  • lavce pelagonski
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1993

                    #10
                    Greeks

                    Some 4 - 5,000 Greeks live in central and southeast Poland, most of whom came in 1949, after the Greek Civil War. It is estimated that after this conflict, some 14,000 Greeks came to Poland, settling mainly in the town of Zgorzelec in Lower Silesia. In the course of the time, most of them returned to their homeland or moved to Germany. Today, there is an estimated 25,000 Greeks living in Poland. Among famous Poles of Greek origin, are a popular pop singer Eleni Tzoka, drummer Milo Kurtis (who played in such bands as Maanam and Voo Voo), and guitar virtuoso Apostolis Anthimos from progressive rock band SBB.[citation
                    Interesting could most of these refugees actually be the detsa begalci (children refugees) and subsequently Macedonian.
                    Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                    „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                    • Bill77
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 4545

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lavce pelagonski View Post
                      Interesting could most of these refugees actually be the detsa begalci (children refugees) and subsequently Macedonian.
                      With a name like Milo Kurtis cant be ethnic Greek. There is your answer
                      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                      • George S.
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10116

                        #12
                        if it's the detsa begaltsi they definitely went to poland.As to how many we dont know maybe someone knows?
                        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                        GOTSE DELCEV

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                        • lavce pelagonski
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 1993

                          #13
                          Well Bill it seems that no matter how much the Greeks try in every Macedonians subconscious we know who we are and will show it in different ways.
                          Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                          „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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