Greeks accuse us of importing stolen Macedonian artifacts and then "discovering" them

[Risto the Great]

Isn't the statistic something like 25000 sites of archaeological significance with the Republic of Macedonia? Macedonians do not even have the resources to fully unearth all of their own sites much less that from occupied Macedonia. What a ridiculous assertion.

[cultea]

This is a more extended list of 184 items from the museum. You can see more details (per item) if you click on the pictures.

http://collections.culture.gr/SearchItems.aspx?LocationID=29&KindID=

[George S.]

The greeks will try anything to falsify their finds particularly when they find some dig it's all covered in greek writing.When they find stuff in rom its got macedonian writings.I heard of cases where the greeks are paying 1 million euros to get one macedonian helmet found in rom.Lucky the rom govt found out & told the family not to sell t.
The macedonians are not desperate like the greeks to pove who they are unlike like the greeks who are thieves & have to lie & steal.The greeks will lie to even show other greek stuff & pose it as macedonian.
About 2 years ago someone will say a friend went to greece to look at the museums in athens & in greek occupied macedonia.What did they find.There was no macedonian artifacts in the athens museum why because the greek govt don't want people to see what they got & they ship it to northern greece where they cansay it's greek is macedonian.
The local greeks know what's going on with the artifacts they say they are not needed in athens & is better they are in noerthern greece.
To illustrate how stupid the greeks are they have a fence stopping the tourists from taking pictures so that they have to pay but they forgot that you don't need to pay if you got zoom on your camera.
My friend went to northern greece where he found an huge abundance of treasures & other archaelogical finds.HE was even invited to see a private selection.When asked if he could photograph these the official said no photographs allowed.Other collections were covered from view & were not allowed to be looked at.My friend noticed ancient macedonian writings in macedonian no wonder they didn't allow him to photograph probably waiting to be doctored the greek way.
He said the greeks are only prepared to show you what they want you to see not what you want to see.What a bunch of frauds.

[ProMKD]

Stupid article. THOUSANDS of Macedonian artifacts are dug up illegally and sold from Macedonia to athens. Most of the time they are dug up by poor Macedonian traitors who sell them to athenians for 2-3 euros, who then sell them to museums in athens for much more. I believe recently the police operation "Falanga" was dealing with some people internally who were using artifacts for their own house yards, as well as exporting them to athens. It's a pathetic joke to assume that WE import artifacts from athens. Joke!!!

[Ljubanec]

Everything that the Greeks have accused Macedonians of doing they have been guilty of themselves. This is a fabricated article used to hide their (the "greeks") complicity of buying ancient artifacts from Macedonians and rediscovering it themselves.

[cultea]

The greeks will try anything to falsify their finds particularly when they find some dig it's all covered in greek writing.When they find stuff in rom its got macedonian writings.I heard of cases where the greeks are paying 1 million euros to get one macedonian helmet found in rom.Lucky the rom govt found out & told the family not to sell t.

LOL, LOL, LOL and LOL.

The macedonians are not desperate like the greeks to pove who they are unlike like the greeks who are thieves & have to lie & steal.The greeks will lie to even show other greek stuff & pose it as macedonian.

They do what?

About 2 years ago someone will say a friend went to greece to look at the museums in athens & in greek occupied macedonia.What did they find.There was no macedonian artifacts in the athens museum why because the greek govt don't want people to see what they got & they ship it to northern greece where they cansay it's greek is macedonian.
The local greeks know what's going on with the artifacts they say they are not needed in athens & is better they are in noerthern greece.

Can somebody translate this?

To illustrate how stupid the greeks are they have a fence stopping the tourists from taking pictures so that they have to pay but they forgot that you don't need to pay if you got zoom on your camera.

What bastards… They even use beautiful docents in order to drag you in.

My friend went to northern greece where he found an huge abundance of treasures & other archaelogical finds.HE was even invited to see a private selection.When asked if he could photograph these the official said no photographs allowed.Other collections were covered from view & were not allowed to be looked at.My friend noticed ancient macedonian writings in macedonian no wonder they didn't allow him to photograph probably waiting to be doctored the greek way.
He said the greeks are only prepared to show you what they want you to see not what you want to see.What a bunch of frauds.

So… wait. In this story, the friend of your friend is now a smuggler? And private collections have… officials?

[makedonche]

Cultea
A close freind of mine was in Greece last year and managed to buy ancient coins from a trader in one of the shops in Athens - what does that tell you about the extent people will go to out of necessity? And how long has this been going on?

[cultea]

Cultea
A close freind of mine was in Greece last year and managed to buy ancient coins from a trader in one of the shops in Athens - what does that tell you about the extent people will go to out of necessity? And how long has this been going on?

I don't know if there are... such shops in Athens, but various ancient coins are legally traded (even through internet). This type of coins is very common, so depending on the coin it may cost few hundred Euros (there are relevant threads in the forum).

http://time-lines.co.uk/alexander-the-great-coins-for-sale-11206-0.html

I emphasize again that these transactions are legal and have specifications I'm not aware of.

[julie]

Had another interesting experience in the Grand Bazaar in Turkey very recently. Went into the old antique section and we were looking at the entrance to the stalls, one of the owners invited us into his "back" room behind the curtain as hubby has an interest in swords, He was showing them an original knights templar sword for sale, my gaze fell upon the countless gold icons inside , some were in cyrillic script and some were in greek. He told me they were centuries old. For sale!!!!

[George S.]

Cultea are you denying the backrooms that exist where antquities are bought at will for eros.Also there are so many fake antiquities deliberately made to fool the foolhardy.Didn't they pass a law in greece that no one is allowed to sell antquities foe fear they wll sell it to the macedonian side.Please explain to me why there is nothing in the athens museum about macedonia.But go to northern greece & you will find heaps of stuff on macedonia in the thessaloniki museum.Why was my friend told not to photograph certain exhibits by the official.Also why are there stuff hidden away what have they got to hide.You know what they don't want the world to know the macedonians spoke their own language.Also the ordinary greek citizen like xultea will say has been fed a steady diet of bs so they live in constant denial of what their govt is upto.THe greek govt & part of its propaganda is to say the macedonians only spoke greek but on carefull examination shows they didn't speak greek because it was for trade & nothing else they had their own mother tounge macedonian.That's the fear the greek govt has if the ordinary citizen finds out they been bullshitted to they may face a revolt.

[makedonche]

I don't know if there are... such shops in Athens, but various ancient coins are legally traded (even through internet). This type of coins is very common, so depending on the coin it may cost few hundred Euros (there are relevant threads in the forum).

http://time-lines.co.uk/alexander-the-great-coins-for-sale-11206-0.html

I emphasize again that these transactions are legal and have specifications I'm not aware of.

Cultea
This was not a legal transaction, my friend looked at what was for sale and asked if there was anything else, the shopowner told him to come back after he closed the shop and then sold him a rare coin not availableo nthe open market. I will get a photo and post it here or pm you so you can see. My friend also commented that this sort of thing is rife within athens and the black market for antiquities is huge.

[mango]

Mango
This must be a joke? The biggest liars and thieves in living history, making false accusations about the real Macedonians digging up Greek artefacts in Greece, transporting them to Macedonia and then digging them up again to prove they are Macedonian! WTF? With little or no credibility left and the EU having to bail out their sorry thieving arses they stoop to new lows to prove how Macedonian they are! Dream on Grci you will never be good enough to be Macedonian!

We're in a state of war and they'll do anything possible to harm us, including lies and deception. So far they're more successful then we are - look at the EU: no Macedonian language.

[cultea]

George S.,
Your English is incomprehensible; I can’t understand a part of your posts. The Greek law forbids exporting antiquities (the idea is to keep our treasures in Greece as much as possible). I don’t know which shops have “back rooms”, but all of you should avoid illegal transactions for various reasons. They are not safe; you can be tricked (see Julie’s post) or arrested. I believe it is also illegal when you enter back in your country and you will not declare that you possess and import an archeological item. This is smuggling.
The policy in Greece is to have a major archeological museum in every district (prefecture), sometimes two and exhibit the items locally. It’s impossible that in the museum of Florina or Pella you will find items from Serres, Thrace or Crete. On the contrary, the central museums (Athens and Thessaloniki) DO host a variety of items from allover. The findings of Vergina are now in the new museum of Vergina, but some of the most glorious ones are in the one of Thessaloniki.
Though a Thessalonian, I have to admit that the two major museums of Athens (National Archeological Museum and Acropolis Museum) are the greatest in Greece. They’re just amazing; the first one being the oldest and richest, the second one is brand new, modern and also amazing. These two museums and the National Gallery are the 3 must-see of Athens.

http://www.namuseum.gr/

http://www.theacropolismuseum.gr/

http://www.nationalgallery.gr/site/content.php

As far as I can see the National Archeological Museum DOES have a Macedonian collection, but I’m sure it's a small one and almost all of the important archeological items from Macedonia, can be found in the museums of Macedonia, most notably of Thessaloniki, and secondarily in Vergina, Pella, Amphipolis, Dion. There are also archeological museums in Serres, Drama, Veroia, Florina, Polygyros, Kilkis, Drama, Kozani, Argos Orestiko (Kastoria) etc., usually one per prefecture.

http://www.amth.gr/

http://www.ancientdion.org/

There is no ancient Macedonian script or (non-Greek) language found either in Greece or in the Republic of Macedonia. There are no hidden or falsified archeological items in modern times; the role of archeology is exactly the opposite. Our knowledge of antiquity is not based on the efforts of 20th Century (during the modern Greek state), but mostly in excavations, monuments and survived sources from the previous past.

[lavce pelagonski]

did you know that the Parthenon was once a basilica which was then converted into a mosque. when Greece was created why did they tear down all that history at least leave to basilica. Shame realy trying to make it all ancient.

[cultea]

THE REAL HISTORY OF PARTHENON - YouTube