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  • Brian
    Banned
    • Oct 2011
    • 1130

    #76
    Some interesting facts on 'Chemtrails'. A comprehensive look.

    Rosalind Peterson: The Chemtrail Cover-Up

    Rosalind Peterson: The Chemtrail Cover-Up - YouTube

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #77
      I have not welcomed you properly Brian, so here it comes, welcome to the MTO!
      I enjoy your postings, they are thought provoking, and gets you to question and think critically.
      Everything is not as it seems to be.

      If you are Brian then I certainly must be Stewie
      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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      • Onur
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2389

        #78
        Originally posted by Daskalot View Post
        If you are Brian then I certainly must be Stewie
        Wha wha whaattt???

        Daskalot, didn't you see my avatar b4? Shame on you !!!



        Family Guy - Democracy Kicks In - YouTube

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        • Daskalot
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 4345

          #79
          Originally posted by Onur View Post
          Wha wha whaattt???

          Daskalot, didn't you see my avatar b4? Shame on you !!!



          Family Guy - Democracy Kicks In - YouTube
          Oh, sorry I have seen it, but Stewie is just awesome.
          But I can be Quagmire instead
          Macedonian Truth Organisation

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          • George S.
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 10116

            #80
            how about after the martinis you love to piss on the aston martinis??
            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
            GOTSE DELCEV

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            • Phoenix
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 4671

              #81
              Originally posted by Brian View Post
              Some interesting facts on 'Chemtrails'. A comprehensive look.
              Where's the evidence Brian, apart from the normal contrails that aircraft leave only in certain atmospheric conditions...?

              If this has been going on for so many years and decades, surely somebody associated with the program (chemtrail) would have spilt the beans, surely somebody with access to the 'chemicals' would have spoken up, surely somebody would have detected the chemical fallout...but all we have are a few kooks that spruik this shit to sell books and get on talk shows.

              Like all good conspiracies, the 'proof' is somewhat elusive...

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              • slovenec zrinski
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 385

                #82
                A trend the last years: See a clip on youtube and it must be TRUE...lol

                I think the chemicals from the so-called chemtrails have affected some brains here on MTO

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                • Brian
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1130

                  #83
                  Originally posted by [B
                  slovenec zrinsk[/B]i;114712]A trend the last years: See a clip on youtube and it must be TRUE...lol

                  I think the chemicals from the so-called chemtrails have affected some brains here on MTO
                  You got me, yes, it's all part of my 'evil plan'...


                  Phoenix
                  Like all good conspiracies, the 'proof' is somewhat elusive...
                  Did you even watch it?
                  They say 'ignorance is bliss', and 'some are more blissfully ignorant than others'.

                  Most people correctly view 'Youtube' or 'conspiracy sites' with suspicion because these sites can quickly go into 'murky depths'. That said, is this reason to dismiss all thing on the net not from mainstream media?

                  If something were in the open, then it would (most times?) be in the mainstream media - right? - but many stories come from 'whistle-blowers', researchers connecting the dots, ect, and often find their way first in the 'conspiracy world (ie sites)' because of their very nature, before sometimes making it to the mainstream media.

                  What this tells us is that some conspiracy sites sit close to the surface, while others, lurk in the murky depths. The trick is discerning which are the quality sites and which are more 'for entertainment purposes only'. Some will say, "Easy, none of them!". To those I say, "here is an interesting site..."


                  Just so not to discriminate between members, to the rest, I would also say, "here is an interesting site..."

                  Uk "The Guardian"

                  Millions were in germ war tests
                  Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials


                  http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience

                  Phoenix
                  Where's the evidence Brian
                  Is the Uk "The Guardian" mainstream enough for you? Does it count as evidence?

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                  • Phoenix
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 4671

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Brian View Post
                    Phoenix
                    Is the Uk "The Guardian" mainstream enough for you? Does it count as evidence?
                    Who are the expert scientists working for 'The Guardian', who can verify the claims made in the story that population centres in the UK were exposed to chemicals, in systematic biological warfare trials...?

                    The Guardian also reports the following
                    "...Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public..."

                    I don't see you offering any balanced view of the claims and counter claims...all I see is a conspiracy kook.

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                    • Brian
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1130

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                      Who are the expert scientists working for 'The Guardian', who can verify the claims made in the story...all I see is a conspiracy kook.
                      So now, in your book, the Uk "The Guardian" is also part of the 'conspiracy cooks'. Each to their own view, I suppose, Phoenix.

                      Just out of curiosity...
                      1. If the 'expert scientist' work for the government,
                      2. If the government is conducting the experiments
                      3. If the government does not want to tell the public they are experimenting on them,

                      When do you thing the 'expert scientists' will come out and tell you?

                      Some people prefer chocolate, and others prefer lollies, each to their own.
                      Last edited by Brian; 11-20-2011, 04:06 AM.

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                      • Brian
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 1130

                        #86
                        It's either governments or drug companies.

                        From tragedy to travesty: Drugs tested on survivors of Bhopal

                        In the second part of a special report, Nina Lakhani exposes how survivors of the 1984 Bhopal gas disaster became unwitting guinea pigs in studies funded by Western drug companies


                        In the second part of a special report, Nina Lakhani exposes how survivors of the 1984 Bhopal gas disaster became unwitting guinea pigs in studies funded by Western drug companies.

                        See Link for whole article.

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                        • Phoenix
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4671

                          #87
                          Originally posted by Brian View Post
                          So now, in your book, the Uk "The Guardian" is also part of the 'conspiracy cooks'. Each to their own view, I suppose, Phoenix.

                          Just out of curiosity...
                          1. If the 'expert scientist' work for the government,
                          2. If the government is conducting the experiments
                          3. If the government does not want to tell the public they are experimenting on them,

                          When do you thing the 'expert scientists' will come out and tell you?

                          Some people prefer chocolate, and others prefer lollies, each to their own.
                          I'm not suggesting that The Guardian is in your league of conspiracy kookiness. In fact, I did say that the article in The Guardian was far more balanced than the way in which you presented it.

                          Brian, not all the 'experts' are working for the government, some of the best minds are working for universities and private industry all over the world but we seldom hear from any of them when it comes to many of your concerns, don't you find that 'strange'...instead your 'proof' is presented by far less credentialled individuals using some pretty dodgy mediums to push their agenda.

                          When your bullshit is raised in prestigious and respected scientific journals and open to the peer review of like minded and trained professionals then I will take it a little bit more seriously.

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                          • Phoenix
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 4671

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Brian View Post
                            It's either governments or drug companies.
                            Brian, what it shows more than anything else is the unethical practices of multinationals operating in third world countries that lack the regulatory safeguards and transparency that exist in many developed countries.

                            Your blanket statement that "it's either governments or drug companies" is deliberately misleading.
                            Last edited by Phoenix; 11-20-2011, 05:14 AM.

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                            • Brian
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1130

                              #89
                              Originally posted by [B
                              Phoenix[/B];114738]your 'proof' is presented by far less credentialled individuals using some pretty dodgy mediums to push their agenda.

                              When your bullshit is raised in prestigious and respected scientific journals and open to the peer review of like minded and trained professionals then I will take it a little bit more seriously.
                              So, Rosalind Peterson, a Department of Agriculture registered Crop Loss Adjuster with a scientific degree, is not qualified enough?

                              What topics (eg Chemtrails) the government classes as a hoax, no person/scientist/ect can speak on the topic in any 'respected forum', so they wont get to be heard unless they speak independently. Yet to be able to speak independently they need to seek the alternate media. The moment they use independent media, many people start calling the cooks. It's a no win situation.

                              00:23The EPA water test result going back to 1972 (available on CD for the public)
                              00:27 water graphs spiking in unison since 1990 in arsenic, barium,aluminium, manganese, lead, iron, ect

                              I know she is not as attractive as Eryn Brokovich ("they're called boobs, Bob) to grab your attention, but it still is an interesting movie.

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                              • Phoenix
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 4671

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Brian View Post
                                So, Rosalind Peterson, a Department of Agriculture registered Crop Loss Adjuster with a scientific degree, is not qualified enough?
                                Brian, can you tell me what sort of "scientific degree" Peterson holds?

                                These are the minimum qualifications for the job...

                                •Requires a high school diploma. Previous experience in the agriculture industry is preferred.
                                •Possesses strong analytical skills with an attention to detail.
                                •Demonstrates skill in interpersonal communications, negotiation, and conflict resolution.
                                •Demonstrates the ability to communicate effectively both orally and in writing with employees and customers.
                                •Ability to maintain confidentiality in daily operations.
                                •Ability to conduct daily duties in a professional appearance and manner.

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