Gruevski Considers Various Name Changes

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  • Vangelovski
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 8534

    Gruevski Considers Various Name Changes

    Is anyone really surprised? Then he defends himself with lines like "its normal to talk about it". No, its not. Its actually normal not to talk about it.

    Macedonia’s opposition released alleged wiretapped recordings which it said showed the prime minister was ready to make compromises with Greece to settle the dispute over the country’s name.
    If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
  • vicsinad
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 2337

    #2
    It's "normal" if he's comparing himself to all Macedonian leaders of the last two decades.

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    • Bill77
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 4545

      #3
      The recording

      http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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      • Tomche Makedonche
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 1123

        #4
        Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
        Is anyone really surprised? Then he defends himself with lines like "its normal to talk about it". No, its not. Its actually normal not to talk about it.

        http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/arti...atriotic-image
        Originally posted by vicsinad
        It's "normal" if he's comparing himself to all Macedonian leaders of the last two decades.
        Ahhhh these Macedonian politicians (although probably more appropriate to call these individuals what they really are… F----ian politicians) are impeccably diplomatic individuals. I’m sure if a paedophile was to approach one of them, and offer them $1,000 so he could rape their daughter, they would also consider it “normal” to talk about these things…
        “There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio

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        • George S.
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 10116

          #5
          Everything has got a price ,If gruevski didn't do it there are others who will do it.Its not a question of if anymore.We had a feeling a sooner than later attitude and they are ready and willing to do it.Like anyone else I'm not surprised we knew it for some time.The politicians all want a slice of the eu or nato.No such thing as abnormality its all in a days work.He is prepared to do his thing and disregard the people. Gruevski is screwing us big time whether we like it or not.We are going to get the raw deal whether we like it or not.
          "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
          GOTSE DELCEV

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          • DedoAleko
            Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 969

            #6
            This is what Antonio Miloshoski wrote on his fb:

            google translate

            Regarding today's selective and mounted photos of the name dispute with Greece, which his brother Vic'to of illegally possessing and maliciously publish, I can declare only one.
            Zoran Zaev general did not need to bother, in cooperation with foreign services and domestic spies illegally to reach the mounted image to the name because the most important picture for the imposed dispute Macedonia and Greece is already public and known to domestic and international audiences. That video lasts 25 minutes and hopefully Zaev will find time to view: Link from the video
            It's footage of litigation before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, in which I had the honor and duty to represent the interests of my country, the Republic of Macedonia. That video briefly and clearly presents arguments Macedonia's dispute with Greece, the attitude of the Prime Minister and the government, and my position on the Greek-Macedonian dispute as Minister of Foreign Affairs. Manipulation in politics are many, but the truth of the Greek-Macedonian litigation is one that is Macedonia for the first time in The Hague, by a unanimous decision of all the judges, winning his first international-legal victory against two-decade long harassment by Greece.
            Mounted photo of Zaev to the name dispute will remain written in dark letters in the newspapers tomorrow, but footage from the dispute at The Hague will remain written in bright letters in Macedonian history.

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            • Vangelovski
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 8534

              #7
              What deluded fools Milosevski and his entourage are. The ICJ case was high treason in and of itself. His attempt to brush off name negotiations and deliberations about what name change could be "acceptable" with his example of "super patriotism" where he successfully sought to legitimise the Interim Accord and the FYROM terminology is mind-boggling. These people are in a head space that could not be considered anything but complete cognitive dysfunction or simply put, mental spastication. What hope does Macedonia have with people like this?
              If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

              The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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              • George S.
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 10116

                #8
                I read somewhere where it says gruevski was an economics role under the gligorov regime.he learn't a lot from his friend Kiro gligorov.It's no wonder how he is emulating him.Grujevski so readily accomodates the greeks and their demands that he has allready declared what he'll do is sell macedonia down the gurgler.I remember when some macedonians in the diaspora approached him regarding the name discussions he refused to reply to them.People allready are wakening to the fact that there is so much corruption etc going on that they are wondering how they are to get rid of him.We saw how he is destroying macedonia completely.He is pulling the rug from peopl'es feet.Oh people from the diaspora have made him aware of the icj case and the ohrid agreement he isn't willing to listen at all.He is doing the comp[lete opposite.
                "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                GOTSE DELCEV

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                • ramo
                  Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 117

                  #9
                  Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                  This reporter often exposes the propaganda the national TV stations spread, and how they in some cases literally copy the news even with same words sometimes. This post is in context of this topic, he made a small sound montage about the name negotiations.

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                  • George S.
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 10116

                    #10
                    I'm not sure if gruevski will ever detract from the name negotiations.He is hellbent on joining the eu or nato.Its all a state of sorry affairs in macedonia
                    "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                    GOTSE DELCEV

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