Wow, that was jaw-dropping Starling. A whole dissertation on why God is wrong and progressives like yourself are right. I'm not even going to dare attempt to dissect all of your arguments as that will probably take me two days straight. But I will pick up on some points that you addressed to me personally.
You have accused a number of people here of being patronising. Well, look who's being patronising here. I am well aware of the fact that not everyone follows the same religion. However, I think you will agree that Christianity has been the cornerstone of all western systems of government and that many of our laws and statutes that govern those western democracies are based on those Christian principles. Your point about the church having a lengthy history of corruption, abuse and persecution is irrelevant to what I said. You openly asked the question: “Who decided that boys can't wear dresses?” My answer was God. I did not mention the church. The church is made up of men and women, who are all fallible. Besides, the shortcomings of the church during the course of its history is irrelevant to the argument and is not a valid reason to dress little boys to look like girls (out of protest for those shortcomings I'm assuming?). As for the examples you provide of boys from the 1800's dressed up in what look like dresses, I have seen the same posted on this forum before on a similar topic. Fact is, I don't know the context of how those photos were taken. Perhaps they are innocent enough. Are the kids altar boys, for example? Ceremonially dressed for a church communion? I don't know. The context I am assuming we are discussing here is the act of intentionally dressing up boys to look like girls, the technical term of which is transvestism.
No, take it from me, the bible is pretty consistent when it comes to homosexuality. Both the old and new testaments have plenty to say about it and the new testament has more than its fair share of teachings on the matter. I threw in the old testament quote from the book of Deuteronomy because it is a famous quote regarding homosexuality but you’re right, as Christians, we follow the teachings of the new testament which deals with purity of the heart and soul rather that the outdated Jewish laws about ritualistic cleansing and other seemingly frivolous laws.
On the contrary, I do not believe they are misleading in anyway and, as far as I'm concerned, those “thousand year old texts” are not opinions but words inspired by God. You don't have to believe this but there are many people out there who do believe this to be the case so please refrain from trivialising my faith. Would this qualify as discrimination in your eyes? or is the concept of discrimination reserved for everyone else except us stupid Christians.
This has already stretched out more than I hoped so the last thing I wanted to say was I'm not trying to sway you Starling to think like me in any shape or form. But at the same time, please don't assume that your interpretation of the Christian message from what you quoted is how I should interpret the same. I have chosen to focus on a very specific and important message with regards to the topic at hand. The liberals are quick to point out that Jesus preached a message of love, peace and mercy and that we shouldn't be quick to judge and start casting the first stone. However, they never point out what Jesus said to that woman right after the fanatical stone-throwing crowd dispersed. He tells her “go and sin no more”. The premise of which is, yes, Jesus has the power to show mercy and forgive your sins but first one must acknowledge those sins and make efforts to stop sinning. Christianity is not some Social Club where you can pick and choose the bits you like and disregard the other bits that don't sit well with you. It's a package deal. Yes, the message is that of love, mercy and tolerance but it also comes with a side serving of obeying Gods wishes, some of which include:
1. A wife respecting her husband - which would include complimentary roles for both of them (something that you would naturally interpret as misogyny and/or segregation
2. And, definitely and unequivocally NO Homosexuality or Transvestism.
With that said, I'm not ignorant of the fact that the world is changing and how a person chooses to live their life is none of my business. I have never discriminated nor will I ever discriminate on others who have chosen to lead a different lifestyle to my own. You often get into some lengthy and passionate essays championing the LGBTQI agenda but please understand you will never convince me or others like me of your beliefs, as I'm sure we could never convince you of ours. Perhaps, and I say this with the greatest of respect, you are batting for the other team. Maybe that is the reason why this topic strikes such a chord with you. That's cool. I was looking at Youtube videos of Macedonian cage fighter Nina Arsanova (I think that's her name) and I was surprised to learn that she too is a lesbian. Lesbian or not, I would love to go and have a drink with you the next time I'm in Canada so don't think I hate homosexuals because I have beliefs that simply don't allow me to jump on board the new progressive way of thinking.
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1. A wife respecting her husband - which would include complimentary roles for both of them (something that you would naturally interpret as misogyny and/or segregation
2. And, definitely and unequivocally NO Homosexuality or Transvestism.
With that said, I'm not ignorant of the fact that the world is changing and how a person chooses to live their life is none of my business. I have never discriminated nor will I ever discriminate on others who have chosen to lead a different lifestyle to my own. You often get into some lengthy and passionate essays championing the LGBTQI agenda but please understand you will never convince me or others like me of your beliefs, as I'm sure we could never convince you of ours. Perhaps, and I say this with the greatest of respect, you are batting for the other team. Maybe that is the reason why this topic strikes such a chord with you. That's cool. I was looking at Youtube videos of Macedonian cage fighter Nina Arsanova (I think that's her name) and I was surprised to learn that she too is a lesbian. Lesbian or not, I would love to go and have a drink with you the next time I'm in Canada so don't think I hate homosexuals because I have beliefs that simply don't allow me to jump on board the new progressive way of thinking.
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