Now the discussion is fun!
I realise the complexity of this issue. That is why ultimately I am happy to accept point 6) as it stands.
But in the Balkans, we play with different rules than the rest of Europe. Acknowledgment of the MOC is part of acknowledging our nation. I may offend some Albanians when I say that religion is less meaningful to them. But the Albanians from Albania had very little to do with their faiths for quite a long time last century. They are extremely proud to promote their secularism. Meanwhile in Kosovo, they listen to Arab radio broadcasts every night.
Bratot, my "personal cause" is to redeem all Grkomani in time. But I understand the majority have no major interest in this. It therefore remains my personal cause and is not part of the broader cause.
Makedonin wrote:
I agree with this. For me, Orthodox religion in Macedonia reached its peak in the 1700's until the abolishment of the Ohrid Archbishopric.
Maybe I am not getting my message across. The Macedonian Cause is an advertisement to entice as many followers as possible to a belief system. It is worded to entice as many people as possible but it must remain powerfully relevant to as many people as possible.
Here is something we could say to the Torbeshi .... You gave up your ancestor's faith so that you could defend yourselves with guns of Islam. You have nothing to fear now, come back.
Of course I am joking, but the message is clear. Macedonians generally do not want a muslim state. They generally oppose other Christian faiths because they hold on to what they have.
I am far from being a religious zealot. But I am thinking much more from a "fitness for purpose" than some of you I believe.
But, as I said earlier, original 6) statement is fine.
I realise the complexity of this issue. That is why ultimately I am happy to accept point 6) as it stands.
But in the Balkans, we play with different rules than the rest of Europe. Acknowledgment of the MOC is part of acknowledging our nation. I may offend some Albanians when I say that religion is less meaningful to them. But the Albanians from Albania had very little to do with their faiths for quite a long time last century. They are extremely proud to promote their secularism. Meanwhile in Kosovo, they listen to Arab radio broadcasts every night.
Bratot, my "personal cause" is to redeem all Grkomani in time. But I understand the majority have no major interest in this. It therefore remains my personal cause and is not part of the broader cause.
Makedonin wrote:
we should not forget that the same Orthodox faith bound on Nationalism have done the most damage to our Macedonian cause and identity (i.e. Partirarchist v.s. Exarchists) than anything else.
Maybe I am not getting my message across. The Macedonian Cause is an advertisement to entice as many followers as possible to a belief system. It is worded to entice as many people as possible but it must remain powerfully relevant to as many people as possible.
Here is something we could say to the Torbeshi .... You gave up your ancestor's faith so that you could defend yourselves with guns of Islam. You have nothing to fear now, come back.
Of course I am joking, but the message is clear. Macedonians generally do not want a muslim state. They generally oppose other Christian faiths because they hold on to what they have.
I am far from being a religious zealot. But I am thinking much more from a "fitness for purpose" than some of you I believe.
But, as I said earlier, original 6) statement is fine.
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