Macedonian St. John Kukuzeli of Albania

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[TrueMacedonian]

YouTube - Macedonian Saint Jovan Kukuzel part 1
YouTube - Macedonian Saint Jovan Kukuzel part 2
YouTube - Macedonian Saint Jovan Kukuzel part 3
YouTube - Macedonian Saint Jovan Kukuzel part 4

[Pelister]

This is interesting. Every little bit helps towards building up a Macedonian theme throughout history.

What did "Kuku" mean in Macedonian I wonder ?

[Bij]

This is interesting. Every little bit helps towards building up a Macedonian theme throughout history.

What did "Kuku" mean in Macedonian I wonder ?

maybe someone from Kukurecani can explain??

[George S.]

this was in wikipadiaHis last name is derived from the Greek words for broad beans and Bulgarian words for cabbage (зеле=zele).

The Greeks also maintain the tradition that his family name was actually Papadopoulos, and not Kukuzelis, which he acquired later on as a descriptor. It is ofter said that a Kukuzelis is one who trades in pulses (i.e. from the Greek words κουκιά, koukia, "beans" and ζέλια, zelia, "peas").[citation needed]

[TrueMacedonian]

Well,,, if we could look at the grk word "koukia" we could actually match the Macedonian word kuḱa up with it. And as we all know kuḱa means house in Macedonian. House of Cabbage? Quite possible, yet highly improbable at the same time. We just don't know. Some direct sources of the time would be needed to come to any solid conclusions.

[TrueMacedonian]

This source differs from the first post in that this book claims that he was born in Debar. Maybe his family originates from Debar?

[TrueMacedonian]

I also want to point out a connection with the monastery of Ardenica or Ardenitsa between two figures in our peoples history - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...?t=1819&page=3

[Soldier of Macedon]

This is very interesting stuff, thanks TM.

[TrueMacedonian]

No probs SoM. I am actually trying to find out more about this Monastery. If Ardenica has frescoes of a Macedonian saint as well being the Monastery that George Kastriot got married in then what else can we uncover about this place?

[Daskalot]

Very good work TM and thanks for taking the time to compile this.

[TrueMacedonian]

Thanks Daskale. But there's so much more out there. Especially on this monastery which I am having trouble locating more info on.

[TrueMacedonian]

Here's more on Saint Jovan Kukuzel - http://www.makedonskosonce.com/broev..._52_donski.pdf

As well as Saint Leo of Strumica who became Patriarch of Jerusalem.

[TrueMacedonian]

Here's another source on Saint Jovan Kukuzel (in Macedonian)- http://www.soros.org.mk/konkurs/046/muzika/mz_cr_a.htm

(in English)- http://translate.google.com/translat...uzel%26hl%3Den

[TrueMacedonian]

More info on Kukuzel's Chants used in Church services- http://mmc.edu.mk/londonconfe/Roza.htm

COMMON CHANT A is a piece which refers to the music practice in everyday church services, and presents an integral part of the priests' education. In his theoretic section, Golabovski draws attention to Orthodox Church chant and conducts a contrastive analysis of its use in Macedonian churches and its practice in neighboring church communities. In this section he points out the factors that influenced the essential Byzantine variant: local tradition, urban folk and other traditions, and individual variations or improvisations on the melody rhythm, lyrics, tempo etc. In addition, he also examines the characteristics of Kukuzel papadechean chant. The musical part of Common Chant A includes three reconstructed variants of chants used in everyday service, as well as musical examples for the Kukuzel chant.