lol, under the influence of the football sound behind me, and the strong painkillers, i forgot to mention one of my main reasons for this topik and "word games" at all
Many Macedonians donīt know Macedonian.
Also many of those who understand Macedonian, donīt have the knowledge and time to think about the meaning / history of the words and languages.
And many of us, Macedonians and non-Macedonians, will realise we have more common than some1 is telling us.
Izgara
σχάρα
Skara
@Julie:
@Spartan:
Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
Modern, as well as "ancient greek" (Koine), are full of "ethymology unknown" / "Archaic".
Both you and me know the reason of why they write "etymology unknown" because it`s either Macedonian or Turkish. So, they prefer to tag it as "unknown".
And many of us, Macedonians and non-Macedonians, will realise we have more common than some1 is telling us.
Izgara
σχάρα
Skara
Yes it`s true Serdarot. I recently learned that there are over 8000+ common words in Macedonian and Turkish. In Greek, there was over 13.000+ Turkish words b4 their language reform and i think they lowered it to 7000+ words today.
Btw, we got "izgara" in Turkish as well. Is it Macedonian or Greek word? Or is it Turkish? I gotta check it
Also i saw someone has been written "Charshi muhabbeti" in forum msg. I lol`ed when i see it cuz it`s kind of negative expression in Turkish. When we say "you are doing carsi muhabbeti" or "bit pazari muhabbeti", It means "you are talking gibberish or bullshit" You are using this for same meaning in Macedonian?
So long i am trying to explain that to your officials, nothing will change.
When YOU, the modern Greeks, start ask questions, for example, why has Afrodita perfect explanation in "Skopianiki" , but not in "Eliniki", things will start to change.
p.s.
i would be happy if some modern Greek who is good with linguistic and ethymology join the forum and this debates.
again, it is not the purpose to proove whoīs older of "proto"
purpose is to stop with the crap that is cousing so many suffering.
OK, I will give some feedback as a Greek; actually, you don't have to be a scientist in linguistics, you just have to speak Greek and... use Google for scientific approaches that already exist and have been presented and exaustively examined.
(from... wikipedia)
"The name Άφροδίτη was connected by folk etymology with ἀφρός (aphros) "foam," interpreting it as "risen from the foam" and embodying it in an etiological myth that was already known to Hesiod.[8] Another folk etymology found in the Etymologicum Magnum and attributed to Didymus attempts to etymologize Aphrodite from the Greek compound ἁβροδίαιτος habrodiaitos ("she who lives delicately" from ἁβρός habros + δίαιτα diaita) explaining the alternation between b and ph as a "familiar" characteristic of Greek "obvious from the Macedonians".[9] Aphros has reflexes in Messapic and Etruscan (whence April), which were probably borrowed from Greek.
Though Herodotus was aware of the Phoenician origins of Aphrodite,[10] linguistic attempts to derive the name Aphrodite from Semitic Aštoret, via undocumented Hittite transmission, remain inconclusive. If Semitic, a not implausible etymology would be from Assyrian barīrītu, a female demon found in Middle Babylonian and Late Babylonian texts (see Chicago Assyrian Dictionary vol. 2 p. 111). The name probably means "she who (comes) at dusk," a manifestation of the planet Venus as the evening star, a well known attribute of the Mesopotamian goddess Inanna/Ishtar.
A suggestion by M. Hammarström,[11] rejected by Hjalmar Frisk, connects the name with πρύτανις, a loan into Greek from a cognate of Etruscan (e)pruni, "lord" or similar. An etymology from Indo-European abhor "very" + dhei "to shine" is offered by J.P. Mallory and D.Q. Adams.[12]"
What's most important is that this is supported by Hesiodus who, as an author living back then in 8th Century BC had access to many of the answers we seek today (e.g. about the language of the Macedonians)
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul
couse i see you use sources where someone is talking about how Macedonians spoke or wrote
Which sources do you mean?
Actually, have in mind, that I can't understand the arguments in any of your posts, because you forget to add the English translation of your words and I don't speak your language.
Which sources do you mean?
Actually, have in mind, that I can't understand the arguments in any of your posts, because you forget to add the English translation of your words and I don't speak your language.
my language have a name
it is called with the name of my Nation.
Macedonian.
and i ment this:
What's most important is that this is supported by Hesiodus who, as an author living back then in 8th Century BC had access to many of the answers we seek today (e.g. about the language of the Macedonians)
when you say-write Macedonians, it is ment my ancestors, who spoke language that is not Greek, but Macedonian, from simple reason it is older from both, Ancient Greek, and not to talk about the modern Greek.
Being older doesnt mean any superiority, it is a simple fact.
btw, i am 1/4 from Solun / Selyanik / Salo-Nika / Thesalo-Nika
rest 3/4 are also Macedonian, so i hope you will think good before call me with any other name than Macedonian...
about Afrodita and other things, i will keep writing after i post this.
greetings
Bratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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