Steve Saragil's reflections on Macedonian matters from 1994!

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  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    Steve Saragil's reflections on Macedonian matters from 1994!

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    From: [email protected] (Steve Saragil)
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    Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:48:53 UTC
    Subject: Greece should give up Macedonia!
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    First off, I'd like to thank all the Greeks that felt it
    prudent, NO, let me rephrase that, imperative to basically
    TELL me where to go and where I should stick my views on
    my private e-mail! hahahahahaha

    You guys are Sooooooo funny...I can't help but laugh!
    GET SOME LIVES BOYS!!! hahahah [You know who you are]

    Now....

    I was talking about the current situation that Macedonia and
    Greece is embroiled in with a few people at my university.
    The people that discussed this issue were from a wide group of
    ethnic backgrounds. Some were Italian, Asian, Indian, German,
    French, and the rest mostly Macedonian or Greek.

    To my surprise...I thought that most people that heard of the
    problem would have said, "man, you guys are at each others
    throats. Just give it up, both of you [Macedonian & Greek]"
    But what I was told by ALL of the non-Greeks was that they
    were on OUR [Macedonian] side on this issue because it would
    set a MAJOR international precedent if one country told
    another country what to do regarding its domestic and foreign
    affairs and that our CASE sounded more credible and concrete
    as opposed to the "stories and tales" that the Greeks have
    been telling them.

    The funny thing, or better yet, pathetic truth is that Greeks
    have a thought pattern of saying and truly beleiving that
    "Macedonia is Greece" and nothing else. Just like a hypnotist
    tells you to beleive something and after hearing it over and
    over.....you beleive it!! Greeks always say...Macedonia is
    Greece...BUT can NEVER honestly give a historical basis as to
    WHY, oh DEAR GOD WHY is it so?

    Its always something like, "My father TOLD me..." or "I have always
    been taught by my Greek teachers that...". NEVER has it been,
    "well I read some books and they state that..." Greeks just do what
    they are told...nothing more and nothing less. Puppets!

    The BRAINWASHING must stop!!!! I suggest that Greeks revolt against
    the Papandreou government before more harm is done to Greece and
    DEMAND the truth be told as to why Greece is occupying Macedonia, why
    it changed the original names of the villages, rivers, mountains,
    and people of Macedonia to Greek and why it still hassles these peace
    loving and democratic people.

    I myself am one person who had his Macedonian village name changed to
    a Greek one, his street changed to "Pavlos Melas Blvd" *PUKE*
    his house confiscated by the Greek authorities, surname changed from
    a Macedonian one "Saragil" to "Saragiopoulos" [we then changed it back],
    etc, etc, etc....

    This is something that Greece owes me an official apology for, but I
    know I will never get it because of its cowardliness. Just like those
    of you who are too cowardly to post to me in public. I feel sorry for
    you people. YOU HAVE BEEN LIVING A LIE ALL YOUR LIVES!!!!!

    Greeks should pick up a book and read the history of their land from
    foreign authors and not from government financed garbage and then
    maybe can they see just alittle truth. But don't worry, I don't
    expect much from you people. Greeks don't learn anything new, they
    just remember the PAST and fight to keep it the way they wrote it.

    While other states move into the 21st century with new ideas and
    innovations, Greece can feel proud that they have not evolved as have
    other societies. They can just pitifully CLING to their past
    and remember the time when Greece was a great power in the world, even
    though it took a Macedonian to pave the way for them.

    On the coat tails of a Macedonian is how Greece will be remembered...
    [i guess thats why its so imperative to keep the lies going on
    the "greekness" of Alexander the his father Philip of Macedon]

    tsk, tsk, I honestly feel sorry for you!
    *sigh* oh well....
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  • Daskalot
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 4345

    #2
    So what have we learned since Steve wrote this in 1994?
    Macedonian Truth Organisation

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    • Daskalot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 4345

      #3
      Here is some more.....

      Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 23:41:24 -0400
      Reply-To: Macedonian Discussion List <[email protected]>
      Sender: Macedonian Discussion List <[email protected]>
      From: SARAGIL STEVE <[email protected]>
      Subject: My Story



      This is my story,
      My family is from the NOW border village of Sveti German, Aegean
      Macedonia. It is a village on lake Prespa directly south of the village
      of Bracino in the Republic of Macedonia. My family and all the other
      families of the village were and are of Macedonian descent. No greek
      blood ever flowed in our village until the beginning of this century.
      When Macedonia was one whole under the Ottoman empire, German enjoyed a
      a glorious reign as the largest village in its region. It had just
      under 4000 people which in those days (early 1900's) was considered a
      large town. Well to make a long story short...
      With the occupation by greece of Macedonia's southern territory,
      everything and anything associated with being Macedonian was made
      illegal by persuction, abuse and ultimately (and the most common route)
      DEATH! The village name was changed from Sveti German to the disgusting
      name it holds today - Agios Germanos. *puke*
      All the villagers family names were changed to resemble greek ones.
      My family name was changed from Saragilovski to Saragiopoulos. Some
      families names were completely changed to something totally different.
      (ie. Mangov to Papoulias) Our street name was also changed to
      "Odos Pavlos Melas". *barf*
      Everything was now greek and one had to declare oneself a greek person
      by citizenship (naturally), but also by blood. This made no sense to
      many people who continued to publicly call themselves Macedonian and
      publicly spoke the "forbidden" Macedonian language. Well....these
      people also died publicly in open village executions to make examples of
      those who fought against the greek regime. The pearl of the Balkan
      penninsula was now in greek hands and they would not let the fertile
      soil slip through their fingertips. Greece-proper is one huge rock that
      would be lucky to grow moss, let alone peppers, wheat, rice, etc. that
      Macedonia could.
      Without Macedonia, greece would be a non-country; insignificant in the
      newly resource based socities that would flourish in years to come.
      Death was a common sight for Macedonians. It is impossible, literally
      impossible to find one family or person that did not suffer by losing at
      least one person at the hands of the greek government. I lost my
      grandfather in WWII when the greek army took him and all the other men
      from my village and made them fight the Italians in the Greek-Italian war.
      My grandfather lost his life defending a country he deplored - greece.
      Greeks love to use the argument that they lost love ones too.
      This is true.....however the only difference is that we lost our
      loved ones to the hands of the greek government and people. The greeks
      lost their to the hands of the Turkish government. We inflicted no
      offensive on the greek government and people, but merely attempted to
      defend our land, homes, families and pride. The argument that greeks
      lost alot in those years falls on deaf ears here and on Macedonians
      around the world because they brought it on themselves. Macedonians
      NEVER gave a tenth of a percent of anguish that the greeks gave to us.
      In the years following WWII, the greek government exiled all Macedonians
      that did not declare themselves greek. Women and children were forced
      to eastern bloc countries and were forbidden to ever return to their homes.
      Today, my grandmother who lives in Skopje is forbidden to lay a flower
      at her husbands grave in German. She cannot return to her home, the
      land she was born and raised in - because she is a troublemaker -
      because she is Macedonian. The greek government is SCARED that an 80
      year old women who can barely walk will turn their government upside
      down if they let her in the country. They are COWARDS!!!!!!
      This is the same fate that MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of Macedonians living
      in Macedonia, greece and all other countries have had to deal with.
      Today, it is estimated that their are over 1 million Macedonians in
      greece and that is a VERY conservative estimate. Our stories will be
      heard and justice will be served to those in the greek government and
      society that continue to spread the lies and propoganda of the
      Macedonian people who are 100% NON-greek.
      Only with the emergence of the Republic of Macedonia can this voice be
      heard. That little republic of 2 million will help its people from
      all borders make sure that their basic human rights, which are not
      guaranteed in greece, be met.
      Greece will Never live in Peace until Macedonians receive their justice.
      Its funny.....why is it that of course some countries have enemies and
      some have none....but greece has deep wounds with ALL countries
      that it stole from. IF you peel away all that greece has taken from
      others, you will find an empty carcas of a people shocked to find that
      they have been living a lie - a lie that they invented and a lie that
      ultimately destroyed them.

      Peace
      Saragil
      Source: http://www.b-info.com/places/Macedon...7/94-07-19.dig
      Macedonian Truth Organisation

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