Originally posted by indigen
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The Rosetta Stone
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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostThat's a little hypocritical for you isn't it Indigen?
Secondly, if we are going to pick up on such points, where does that leave you (and for that matter, even the MTOI), with your young earth creationists ideology, in relation to objectivity when you criticise Iljov on some of his claims?
Lastly, I am not saying Tentov or Iljov are right in everything they say or do and I don't go around using their contested discoveries as arguments in the fight for our Macedonian Cause but I don't see them as enemies, as some here appear to turn them into. In the scheme of things, I would like to see the venom and ideological energy used to attack Iljov, Tentov and each other in the MTO "debates" of 'for or against evolution/creation (young earth type)' directed to greater ideological purpose - changing the status quo in MK and opposing the international deconstruction agendas aimed at our demise.
So pocit,
I.
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Originally posted by indigen View PostIt was late and I left out a qualifier that would prevent critical misinterpretation and good of you to pick up on it. It should read as Macedonians who are attempting to define a Macedonian perspective on Macedonian history rather than the foreign imposed one that holds currency at present, both domestically in Mk and internationally.
Secondly, if we are going to pick up on such points, where does that leave you (and for that matter, even the MTOI), with your young earth creationists ideology, in relation to objectivity when you criticise Iljov on some of his claims?
Lastly, I am not saying Tentov or Iljov are right in everything they say or do and I don't go around using their contested discoveries as arguments in the fight for our Macedonian Cause but I don't see them as enemies, as some here appear to turn them into. In the scheme of things, I would like to see the venom and ideological energy used to attack Iljov, Tentov and each other in the MTO "debates" of 'for or against evolution/creation (young earth type)' directed to greater ideological purpose - changing the status quo in MK and opposing the international deconstruction agendas aimed at our demise.
So pocit,
I.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostOriginally Posted by indigen
So much VENOM against MACEDONIANS [who are attempting to define a Maceodonian perspective on Macedonian history] but very little against western "scholarship", which nearly ALL of it (or 99.9% of them) clearly and FRAUDULENTLY DENY THAT WE HAVE ANY CONNECTION with indigenous Macedonians (i.e. ancient Macedonians) and that we are "Slavs" who came there as settlers n 6th century AD or later.
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostI've never criticised "western academia" or the scientific method, rather I practice exactly what it preaches and that is to critically question the available evidence and point out where it is lacking, while accepting it when it is compelling
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Originally posted by indigen View PostThat is not how it looks to me, mate, but lets leave it out of this thread!
I haven't commented much on the Rosetta Stone controversy because I don't have the time to do the necessary foundational research into a) linguistics and b) the specific languages on, and history of, the Rosetta Stone itself. But from the information provided by Tentov, it appears that he hasn't either. Even from a cursory look, it is obvious that there are some massive gaps in their work.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by indigen View PostEritrea liberated itself in the early 1990s after a long and arduous national revolutionary peoples struggle. The Eritreans did not wait for westerners (or Soviets and Co) to validate their version of national history (they would still be waiting if that were the case!) but wrote and defined their own as it suited their national cause.
I consulted a client who came from there. I believe he said ERITREA means Red Sea in Ancient Greek as an interesting aside.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Delodephius View PostThere's an expression in my dialect of Slovak, "patilo". It cannot be translated into any language I encountered so far, perhaps some idiom exists but I am not aware of it. This expression fits Macedonians perfectly. I unfortunately cannot describe it in right terms without getting misunderstood.
Just speak Serbian and English. Serbian for the country you live in and English as an international language. Nations mean nothing to you therefore you should willingly throw away your little lost Slovak culture and language and move forward into the United States of Oneworld. Knock yourself out and come back when you become a European.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostWell, you need to do more than just have a superficial look at it. You need to do some background research and then take a detailed look at the evidence provided.
I haven't commented much on the Rosetta Stone controversy because I don't have the time to do the necessary foundational research into a) linguistics and b) the specific languages on, and history of, the Rosetta Stone itself. But from the information provided by Tentov, it appears that he hasn't either. Even from a cursory look, it is obvious that there are some massive gaps in their work.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostClearly they wanted it. Good on them.
I consulted a client who came from there. I believe he said ERITREA means Red Sea in Ancient Greek as an interesting aside.
The Italians created the colony of Eritrea in the 19th century around Asmara, and named it with its current name. After World War II Eritrea was annexed to Ethiopia. In 1991 the Eritrean People's Liberation Front defeated the Ethiopian government. Eritrea officially celebrated its 1st anniversary of independence on May 24, 1992. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Eritrea
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Quite inspirational.
If only ......Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Rita CWhilst I am strongly against Macedonia's antiquisation.......
Originally posted by IndigenSo much VENOM against MACEDONIANS but very little against western "scholarship"........
Originally posted by IndigenSecondly, a Macedonian hating (self-hating) Slavoman is no better, IMHO, than an anti-Macedonian Grk, Grkoman, Bulgar, Bulgaroman, Serb, Srboman, Gheg/UCK or a Cryptoman of a whatever variety.
Originally posted by Soldier of MacedonI agree with his suggestion of having our schools teach the old language. Although I prefer the use of Old Macedonian (because that is exactly what it is) and that is how I would expect it to be taught in schools, contextual references to the language of that period as Slavonic and/or Church Slavonic cannot be excluded because it would be historically incorrect. That is why they are acceptable alternatives. Our people called it Slavonic during an extended period of time and that is how it came to be known as a liturgical language in the Christian world. The very name 'Slavonic' is evidence of the fact that it represents a pan-linguistic identity and not an ethnic one, even though the Slavonic language of Cyril and Methodius was Old Macedonian . Our enemies have made some us think that the word itself is completely negative because they use it in an inappropriate manner, and those who are ignorant among us contribute to this misinformation by rejecting anything associated with it. Both the terms 'Macedonian' and 'Slavonic' can exist in our historical perspectives if there is logical interpretation and relevant context applied, with neither one being suggestive against the other.
Originally posted by IndigenLastly, I am not saying Tentov or Iljov are right in everything they say or do and I don't go around using their contested discoveries as arguments in the fight for our Macedonian Cause but I don't see them as enemies, as some here appear to turn them into.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostRita, can you define what you mean by "antiquisation" and what exactly you object to?
The ancients are irrelevant, the fascination is regressive and counter producive.
Macedonia's biggest and costliest tactical error has been pursuing the antiquisation policy.
Had our argument centered exclusively on our human rights, I am 99% sure that by now we would have won the name game. Instead, we've joined the Grks in their column mania - and in many cases, we might have even out done them.
Then there is the impact on our already deplorable architecture. The 8 star shields in Bitola, the tragic bust of Alexander at the airport....and now crowned by the the abominable fountain. Kitsch, incongruous and embarrassing.
Not to mention the cringe-worthy Macedonian falanx greeting the Hunza king at the airport, which I see as an attempt to impose a dead culture on a supposed modern state.
I recall the early years of the maknews forum, how we laughed at Grk plans to carve Alexander's head into a mountain.Last edited by RitaC; 06-22-2011, 08:04 AM.
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The greeks are just following the americans of wanting to carve heads on mountains.I doubt if they have the money to do it.As far as looking in the past we have to so that we can gain a connection with the past.The greeks are allways trying to live in the past & forge their way with their bs propaganda that the macedonians spoke nothing but greek but they forgot to mention that there was ancient macedonian."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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