I call bullshit. You should know better.
How did Golo Brdo & Mala Prespa come under Albanian cotrol?
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Risto the Great
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI call bullshit. You should know better.I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostYou call bullshit on a the -phone terminology? It is a legitimate linguistic term, not much more I can say than that. Either way, this isn't relevant to the thread nor my statement.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostHe calls bullshit on your unnecessary use of the term. So do I. Those people are Macedonians and in this case there was no need to ambiguously characterise them with a linguistic term. He is right. You should know better.
I disagree, Gorica is not apart of Macedonia and its non-Albanian population died off long ago. There is no way of knowing if they spoke Macedonian or another language similar to it, we can't force our identity and language on people who can't speak for themselves anymore. It's recorded "Slavic" was spokein Gorica but its exact relation to Macedonian or any other language is not known for sure. It would be the same as claiming the historical Slavophone population of Epirus and Thessaly were Macedonians as well.I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostI disagree, Gorica is not apart of Macedonia and its non-Albanian population died off long ago.
Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostThere is no way of knowing if they spoke Macedonian or another language similar to it, we can't force our identity and language on people who can't speak for themselves anymore. It's recorded "Slavic" was spokein Gorica but its exact relation to Macedonian or any other language is not known for sure. It would be the same as claiming the historical Slavophone population of Epirus and Thessaly were Macedonians as well.Last edited by Tomche Makedonche; 05-30-2018, 02:51 AM.“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostYou call bullshit on a the -phone terminology? It is a legitimate linguistic term, not much more I can say than that. Either way, this isn't relevant to the thread nor my statement.
You have the opportunity to present facts as Macedonians deservedly should acknowledge and see them. And, if we could muster any kind of thoughtful and cohesive action, the world might begin to follow.
Another example is what you might call "Church Slavonic" is what I call "Old Macedonian". See what I did there? Nobody else can take that away from us. But when people like you give it away for free, it is offensive.
And the last time I ever heard the words:
Germanophone,
Anglophone,
Hispanophone,
Francophone, etc.
... was never.
So while you believe my point has nothing to do with this thread, I agree for different reasons. "Slavophones" have nothing to do with Macedonians. Therefore you introduced the irrelevance. I simply pointed it out.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostGorica is not apart of Macedonia and its non-Albanian population died off long ago.
There is no way of knowing if they spoke Macedonian or another language similar to it, we can't force our identity and language on people who can't speak for themselves anymore. It's recorded "Slavic" was spokein Gorica but its exact relation to Macedonian or any other language is not known for sure.
It would be the same as claiming the historical Slavophone population of Epirus and Thessaly were Macedonians as well.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View PostSo who do you personally think these Slavic speakers likely were?, Serbians?, Bulgarians?, Ukrainians?, Poles?, Russians?, Slavophone Greeks?, Greeks?, Albanians?, Turks?, Germans?, Irish?, Swedes?, Iranians?, Japanese?, Brazilians?, Nigerians?I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostPossibly their own people completely independent of all modern nations, like the Thracians.“There’s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop, and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all” - Mario Savio
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Those Albanophones in Macedonia never stop ringing!Risto the Great
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostPeco Cingovski was a Macedonian communist fighter during WWII who was born in Gorica. The paternal great-grandparents of some of my distant cousins in Macedonia were born in Gorica and moved to the village of Trap in Bitola at the beginning of the 20th century. All of these individuals identified as Macedonians. Your earlier suggestion that they "died well back into the 18th century" is, quite simply, wrong.
The vernacular spoken in Gorica belongs to the south-western group of Macedonian dialects, which means it is close to the vernacular spoken in Kostur. There is a document from the 16th century where words and phrases are recorded from the south-western region of Macedonia and they are almost identical to the dialects spoken in Bitola and Lerin. Geographically, Gorica is roughly about 50km or so from Kostur or the Macedonian-controlled part of Lake Prespa. It is less than a 100km to reach either Bitola or Lerin. The nearest predominantly "Slavophone" town outside of historical Macedonia is probably Podgorica in Montenegro which is about 300km away. Look at a map and then take a wild guess as to which language the Gorica dialects would most resemble.
Not really. Aside from toponyms we don't have much more to compare for these two regions. That said, due to continuum if such dialects were still spoken in those regions it would naturally follow that they would be more related to Macedonian than any other language further north.
Fair enough, you make good points.I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche View PostDo you believe Macedonian communities were capable of existing anywhere else in the world?, Or did the impenetrable border security that existed prior to the 20th century preclude them from travelling to any region outside of what we now consider the geographic borderlines of Macedonia? (even to, say, one of the closest cities to rural villages on the outskirts of those traditional geographic Macedonian borders i.e. Gorica?)
Oh course we can and did/do. The borders of Macedonia just all other nations are the results of politics above all else. The Macedonian peasant in the Ottoman period would have no clue about these regional borders and could have travelled and settled anywhere.I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
And the last time I ever heard the words:
Germanophone,
Anglophone,
Hispanophone,
Francophone, etc.
... was never.consisting of or belonging to an English-speaking population especially in a country where two or more languages are spoken… See the full definition
I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostRisto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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germanophone
[ʒɛʀmanɔfɔn ]
adjective
German-speaking
masculine and feminine noun
German-speakerRisto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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