Answer to Risto Stefov, #2
Istor the MacedonianMarch 29, 2009
This article is an answer to Risto Stefov´s article entitled "Modern Greece and the Macedonian Heritage – Part 13 – What is Greece up to?» and published here: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/96351 Please, read that article before reading this one.
In this article the term Macedonia refers to the historic land of Macedonia that is the land from Olympus to Ohrid and from Pindus mountains to Strymon river, while Macedonian term refers to what the last 3000 years ment that is "Greek of Macedonia". Skopje never was in Macedonia. Skopje was Dardanian and Kossovian capital. Veles was Peonian capital.
Greek is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World.
Macedonian is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World.
As you see, Greek = Macedonian and Macedonian = Greek. The distinction is ONLY geographic. History chose "Greek" term as name for all Greeks. We Greeks could naturally be called Macedonians just like we are called Greeks, Hellenes or Yunan. All those names of Greeks were, once upon a time, regional names of Greek tribes.
That pride is felt when reading, amongst many-many other texts, that famous passage of Plutarch: http://www.starkrealities.com/fortune.html (passage 5). But, since pride is "invisible", one shall do some things to show it. He could get membership of a Greek union, follow Greek things, learn and speak Greek, read Greek literature, teach Greek to his children, send them in Greek school and so on.
This is what Slavs, Albanians, Vlachs, Pelasgians, Thracians …. have done long or short time ago. It was a peaceful assimilation process, due to the attractiveness of Greekness. Christian Religion was the main tool for that after early Byzantine times. If any people do what those people did then they will be Greeks. This is what happens today to economic refugees´ children who live in Greece. This is what happens to Greeks of America, Germany, Australia. This is what happened to SlavoSkopians after 1944 under Tito´s orders. In two decades, SlavoSkopians had a new Bulgarian dialect as language, a new but fake identity name, a huge hate against Bulgarians and a negation of Bulgarian ancestry.
If any white people (not just a person) speak Greek and teach Greek to their children then they are Greeks. Soon, those children will feel pride while reading those lines of Plutarch´s praise to Alexander.
It´s up to SlavoSkopians to macedonize themselves. What they are is Macedonian nothing. You cannot be Macedonian and say Solun, Plovdiv, Vardar, Bistritsa, Crna. You cannot be Macedonian and hate Greekness. You cannot be Macedonian and teach Slavic to your children. Because if you are named Macedonian then you are identified, wanted it or not, with ancient Macedonians.
Greece has never denied existence of Macedonians. It´s SlavoSkopians who attempt to do that. SlavoSkopians deny "de facto" our right over the name of Macedonia. A name that we Greeks of Macedonia have invented long time ago for ourselves and our children. We will never allow any non-Greek people monopolizing the name of Macedonia.
Greece got independence after 8 years of brutal bloody struggle against Ottomans which touched and motivated European peoples and countries. In that case Europe acted in accordance of its principles (enlightenment period). The struggle about Macedonia started at 1878, right after the establishment of Bulgarian state. Not by Greeks. Since then, Slavs attempted many times to occupy and slavicize Macedonia and Macedonians. They have been defeated. After each defeat, Slavs of Macedonia massively left the country for the Slavic countries, since they could not live in such ´evil´ country as Greece.
Greek "atrocities" in Macedonia are caress in regards to Slavic arrogance and violence against Greeks of Macedonia. At 1996, a Slavic delegation arrived in Doxato, Drama, Macedonia, Greece to say sorry to the people there whose Greek unarmed ancestors were massacred at 06-30-1913, just a day before Slavic troops left the city to the Greek liberating army. 3000 wounds in one day!
Macedonians did not exist as a nation at the times of Ottoman Empire. In fact in Macedonia were Turks, Greeks, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Jews, Albanians, … All those peoples sent deputies in first Ottoman Parliament of 1908, but not "Macedonians". Carnegie Commission Report of Greek "atrocities" in Macedonia published at 1914 doesn´t mention any "Macedonian" people.
After Macedonia´s liberation from Turkish occupation and Slavic excruciation, Greece restored all known ancient Macedonian toponyms in Macedonia and macedoniazed all others. Thus we Macedonians proudly say Aigai, Thessaloniki, Aliakmon, Axios, Halastra, Argos, Ptolemais….while SlavoSkopians say Kutlesh, Solun, Bistritsa, Vardar, Kulakja, Hrupishta, Kajlar….
So, dear ethnic SlavoSkopians, if you want to test your macedonianess, please read that passage of Plutarch and tell us what do you feel. If you feel shame, then you are not Macedonians; if you feel pride then prove it and we will call you Macedonians.
Bre Risto, why a SlavoSkopian would like to come and live in such an evil, nazist, fascist country like Greece amongst arrogant, racist, atrocious, people?
It is obvious that Risto is raving in the bigger part of the article. He knows that all World knows that SlavoSkopians are Macedonian nothing and they must face, accept and confess the truth soon:
Dear SlavoSkopians, Somemacedonia is a good solution of the name problem. After that we could talk about other things who divide or unite our countries.
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Gree
Istor the MacedonianMarch 29, 2009
This article is an answer to Risto Stefov´s article entitled "Modern Greece and the Macedonian Heritage – Part 13 – What is Greece up to?» and published here: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/96351 Please, read that article before reading this one.
In this article the term Macedonia refers to the historic land of Macedonia that is the land from Olympus to Ohrid and from Pindus mountains to Strymon river, while Macedonian term refers to what the last 3000 years ment that is "Greek of Macedonia". Skopje never was in Macedonia. Skopje was Dardanian and Kossovian capital. Veles was Peonian capital.
Greek is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World.
Macedonian is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World.
As you see, Greek = Macedonian and Macedonian = Greek. The distinction is ONLY geographic. History chose "Greek" term as name for all Greeks. We Greeks could naturally be called Macedonians just like we are called Greeks, Hellenes or Yunan. All those names of Greeks were, once upon a time, regional names of Greek tribes.
That pride is felt when reading, amongst many-many other texts, that famous passage of Plutarch: http://www.starkrealities.com/fortune.html (passage 5). But, since pride is "invisible", one shall do some things to show it. He could get membership of a Greek union, follow Greek things, learn and speak Greek, read Greek literature, teach Greek to his children, send them in Greek school and so on.
This is what Slavs, Albanians, Vlachs, Pelasgians, Thracians …. have done long or short time ago. It was a peaceful assimilation process, due to the attractiveness of Greekness. Christian Religion was the main tool for that after early Byzantine times. If any people do what those people did then they will be Greeks. This is what happens today to economic refugees´ children who live in Greece. This is what happens to Greeks of America, Germany, Australia. This is what happened to SlavoSkopians after 1944 under Tito´s orders. In two decades, SlavoSkopians had a new Bulgarian dialect as language, a new but fake identity name, a huge hate against Bulgarians and a negation of Bulgarian ancestry.
If any white people (not just a person) speak Greek and teach Greek to their children then they are Greeks. Soon, those children will feel pride while reading those lines of Plutarch´s praise to Alexander.
It´s up to SlavoSkopians to macedonize themselves. What they are is Macedonian nothing. You cannot be Macedonian and say Solun, Plovdiv, Vardar, Bistritsa, Crna. You cannot be Macedonian and hate Greekness. You cannot be Macedonian and teach Slavic to your children. Because if you are named Macedonian then you are identified, wanted it or not, with ancient Macedonians.
Greece has never denied existence of Macedonians. It´s SlavoSkopians who attempt to do that. SlavoSkopians deny "de facto" our right over the name of Macedonia. A name that we Greeks of Macedonia have invented long time ago for ourselves and our children. We will never allow any non-Greek people monopolizing the name of Macedonia.
Greece got independence after 8 years of brutal bloody struggle against Ottomans which touched and motivated European peoples and countries. In that case Europe acted in accordance of its principles (enlightenment period). The struggle about Macedonia started at 1878, right after the establishment of Bulgarian state. Not by Greeks. Since then, Slavs attempted many times to occupy and slavicize Macedonia and Macedonians. They have been defeated. After each defeat, Slavs of Macedonia massively left the country for the Slavic countries, since they could not live in such ´evil´ country as Greece.
Greek "atrocities" in Macedonia are caress in regards to Slavic arrogance and violence against Greeks of Macedonia. At 1996, a Slavic delegation arrived in Doxato, Drama, Macedonia, Greece to say sorry to the people there whose Greek unarmed ancestors were massacred at 06-30-1913, just a day before Slavic troops left the city to the Greek liberating army. 3000 wounds in one day!
Macedonians did not exist as a nation at the times of Ottoman Empire. In fact in Macedonia were Turks, Greeks, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Jews, Albanians, … All those peoples sent deputies in first Ottoman Parliament of 1908, but not "Macedonians". Carnegie Commission Report of Greek "atrocities" in Macedonia published at 1914 doesn´t mention any "Macedonian" people.
After Macedonia´s liberation from Turkish occupation and Slavic excruciation, Greece restored all known ancient Macedonian toponyms in Macedonia and macedoniazed all others. Thus we Macedonians proudly say Aigai, Thessaloniki, Aliakmon, Axios, Halastra, Argos, Ptolemais….while SlavoSkopians say Kutlesh, Solun, Bistritsa, Vardar, Kulakja, Hrupishta, Kajlar….
So, dear ethnic SlavoSkopians, if you want to test your macedonianess, please read that passage of Plutarch and tell us what do you feel. If you feel shame, then you are not Macedonians; if you feel pride then prove it and we will call you Macedonians.
Bre Risto, why a SlavoSkopian would like to come and live in such an evil, nazist, fascist country like Greece amongst arrogant, racist, atrocious, people?
It is obvious that Risto is raving in the bigger part of the article. He knows that all World knows that SlavoSkopians are Macedonian nothing and they must face, accept and confess the truth soon:
Dear SlavoSkopians, Somemacedonia is a good solution of the name problem. After that we could talk about other things who divide or unite our countries.
Istor
Macedonian, therefore Gree
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