Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Risto the Great]

So how silent is the European Parliament on the name issue?

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/en/pressroom/content/20110407IPR17166/html/Accession-talks-with-former-Yugoslav-Republic-of-Macedonia-should-start-now

Parliament naturally stays silent about the merits of the opposing sides of the name issue that has dogged the country’s accession progress since its beginnings. At the same time, it “strongly regrets the fact that the name dispute with Greece continues to block the country’s road to EU accession." In addition, MEPs note with concern the “use of historical arguments in the current debate, including the phenomenon of so-called ‘antiquisation,’ which threatens increasing tensions with neighbour countries and creating new internal divisions”.

Well I am anti-EU in the first instance. But I am sure we can find many examples of European Parliament statements that are contrary to the above declaration of "silence" on the name issue. The most recent being from that Slovenian disgrace Jelko Kacin.

We also see an attack in the same declaration of silence above where Macedonia is attacked for apparent antiquisation & historical arguments.

That kind of silence is deafening.

[Sputnik]

This has probably been mentioned recently in a Macedonian only thread, For those visitors that can't read Macedonian cyrillic

Prof. Janev: 100% Chance to Enter UN as Macedonia
Thursday, 03 November 2011

"Palestine was admitted to the UNESCO with 107 "yes," versus 13 "against"! Similarly it will be with our name in the United Nations" says international law expert Professor Igor Janev.

Between the Palestinian case for admission to UNESCO and the introduction of the constitutional name of Macedonia at the UN there are important differences, as well as many important lessons.

It should be stressed that Palestine is a different situation because it is (Not) a member of the UN and needed a qualified 2/3 majority for admission to the UN, as the majority in UNESCO.

Therefore Palestine will need to pass an admission test through voting in the Security Council, in which the United States, Britain and France all have veto power!
For Macedonia the situation is very different and easier. We bypass the Security Council because we are a member of the UN. Macedonia only needs a simple majority of those present and voting at the UN General Assembly to replace the reference with its constitutional name, says Professor Janev.
For example, if the UN General Assembly has 100 members present, Macedonia will need only 51 votes to replace the reference with Macedonia. In reality, Macedonia will get much more than the 51 votes, says Professor Janev.

Professor Janev blames all Macedonian Governments for not having experts in international law among its staff: "The Macedonian Government led by the SDSM for years believed they needed 130 nations to recognize the country under Macedonia so they can take action at the UN. Incredibly, even the current Macedonian Government believed this nonsense" says Janev.
Professor Janev is agitated by Macedonian politicians who behave as amateurs when it comes to Greek lobbying at the UN, adding Greece can't do absolutely nothing to stop Macedonia because we need only 51% of the votes.

"Out of 120 countries at the UN General Assembly, we need only the votes of 61. Greece in no way, shape or form will be able to muster more than 25 (if that) votes on their side. The same way the United States was able to muster the "no" votes of only 13 countries against Palestine. Greece will simply be shut down, and the bizarre and imposed 'name' dispute will be closed once and for all." concluded Proffessor Janev who is currently teaching at the Institute for Political Science in Belgrade.
Now, it's up to the Macedonian Government to grow a pair and do its job at the UN.

Well well, should Macedonia bother applying (as if asking for permission). What are your opinions? am i getting carried away by looking at it as if its begging?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Macedonia needs to simply inform the UN that it is to be referred to as the Republic of Macedonia in long form and Macedonia in short form. When the inevitable 'no' comes back then Macedonia should demand for their right to self-determination. What is the worst that could happen? They will kick us out of the UN for calling ourselves by our own name? Our national and historical name should not be put to a vote by foreigners, the mere suggestion is an insult. Who the hell asks others what they should be called! It's like asking other parents if your child can attend a school by a name determined by them rather than yourself. The whole fiasco is stupid and shameful for Macedonia, especially given that successive Macedonian governments have perpetuated this act of treachery.

[Vangelovski]

This has probably been mentioned recently in a Macedonian only thread, For those visitors that can't read Macedonian cyrillic

Well well, should Macedonia bother applying (as if asking for permission). What are your opinions? am i getting carried away by looking at it as if its begging?

Sputnik, you are not getting carried away. It is begging. Janev is either unware or purposely misleading the public on standard UN practice in relation to these matters. As SoM mentioned above, the MTO Inc. looks at the situation within its context and provides a clear solution that is based on national sovereignty, a concept which the UN claims to have codified as part of its Charter and International "Law" more broadly.

[Sputnik]

Great response gentlemen. I am glad we have people in here with eyes wide open.

I would like to add that United Nations is nothing but a toothless organisation which i don't find they are of any significance. They might be slightly below the European Union if i was to rate them on a scale of being evil, but that's only because the fact they are useless and there are some instances where no power nation or leader, have taken notice of them. They are not feared. So shouldn't Macedonia (fear or respect them). Also this creation by Nazi's called the EU are so evil, it's no real compliment or something to be boastful of coming second to such Dictatorial organisation/Empire called EU.

[George S.]

if that's the case then macedonia has sold itself short.It should have worked within the un for real recognition.IT just makes a mockery of the whole thing.

[Mactruth]

IDU adopts new statute to prevent Greece's blockade of Macedonia

http://www.emg.rs/en/news/region/168541.html

The International Democrat Union (IDU) at its Party Leaders meeting in London adopted a new statute, becoming the first international political association to change its formal written enactment of a legislative authority in order to prevent Greece to keep blocking Macedonia.

The change, related to erasing the principle for consensus decision-making, has been endorsed by all countries, except Greece. VMRO-DPMNE has acquired a status of IDU associative member, something that Greece had been opposing to for a long period of time, Macedonia's ruling party said Friday in a press release.

IDU is a working association of over 80 Conservative, Christian Democrat and like-minded political parties of the centre and centre right.

Formed in 1983, the IDU provides a forum in which Parties holding similar beliefs can come together and exchange views on matters of policy and organisational interest, so that they can learn from each other, act together, establish contacts and speak with one strong voice to promote democracy and centre-right policies around the globe. Founder Members of the IDU included Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, then US Vice-President George Bush Sr, Paris Mayor and later President of France Jacques Chirac, German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and many other party leaders. lk/fd/15:50

PM Gruevski: Right of self-determination, own identity - inseparable part of freedom

The right of self-determination, own identity is an inseparable part of freedom, but today, even in Europe, some countries are prohibiting these freedoms, thus acting against fundamental values the EU and the modern world have been based on, Prime Minister and VMRO-DPMNE leader Nikola Gruevski said Friday in London.

Speaking at a plenary session on 'Strengthening Freedom and Democracy in the 21st Century' of the International Democratic Union (IDU) Party Leaders meeting, Gruevski said that more active citizens' participation in policy-creating and decision-making was the most appropriate tool for providing freedom and democracy.

"In order to turn this goal into reality we need a system of good governance, which is attainable by a consistent rule of law, efficient, citizen-oriented public administration, independent judiciary and transparency of the government's work," Gruevski said.

He also underlined the need of political leadership that would make a balance between the globalization of capital and the rights, freedoms of citizens for better life.

"The development of society, he said, should be directed to turning the democracy into something more than a governmental structure that aims to meet the citizens consumer needs. The democracy should respond to the collective needs of citizens - better education, health care system - an essential investment in building a better future for our generation and eliminating the syndrome of destruction," Gruevski said.

Economic cooperation, trade exchange and bolstering of investments may also contribute to strengthening the freedom and democracy, he said.

"Sustainable economic growth, satisfied and well-off citizens are necessary for enjoying the benefits of democracy. In a time when we are still dealing with the consequences of the most serious global economic turmoil for the last 80 years and hearing announcements for a new one in Europe, we face the challenge to speed up the economic consolidation in order to preserve the benefits of democracy. To that end it is more than necessary to preserve the economic solidarity, boost the trade exchange and investments in order to discourage those political forces, which led by opportunism and pure pragmatism, promote far-right or far-left politics and thus jeopardize the fundamental values of democratic societies," Gruevski said.

[Zarni]

http://www.idu.org/calendar.aspx?id=1054

It is all FYROM to them

The Macedonian President sat at the table with a humilating name tag and really was just happy to be there and again begged like a weak bullied schoolboy kid please, please respect me.

[Risto the Great]

Macedonia’s blocked EU integration is unprecedented, says PM

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n264797

Skopje. The blockade of Macedonia’s EU membership is a precedent in the Union, said Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski at the meeting with Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann in Vienna on Monday, Dnevnik daily writes.
“The moment is right for EU leaders to reconsider their decision and to find a way to start the negotiations,” Gruevski said.
Dnevnik comments that Gruevski’s meeting has set the beginning of Macedonia’s lobbying campaign in the EU.

Still grovelling for a chance to hop on the sinking ship.
Take it easy be

[makedonche]

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n264797



Still grovelling for a chance to hop on the sinking ship.
Take it easy be

RTG
Another one who needs a dose of mortein!

[Bill77]

RTG
Another one who needs a dose of mortein!

Mortein will not work in this case. Gruo is a "mova bez gla"......(a Macedonian idiom for blind, brainless, not knowing what he is doing....)

[George S.]

Gruevski is a two faced traitor that's what i think of him..Maybe that's why the eu is giving him the cold shoulder as he has nothing tangible to offer them in terms of name change.The bname change is a prerequisite to entering the eu.It has to be one that greece agrees with.Grujo is hell bent on doing it to please the athenian masters.He will never learn even if he gets the full bottle of mortein.THe stupidity of the man who thinks he has another angle left to play in his quest to destroy macedonia proper.He is behaving more like a clown on the world stage.We don't find his antics funny.Grovelling is right RTG as he is licking the boots of greece & the eu masters anything to gain entry to the eu.
There is no embarrasment or sramota to what grujo is doing.

[makedonche]

Mortein will not work in this case. Gruo is a "mova bez gla"......(a Macedonian idiom for blind, brainless, not knowing what he is doing....)

Bill77
...hahaha......suitable title for him!

[George S.]

Thats it makedonce you can't waste the mortein on the fly with no head.Very suitable one for grujo.

[Brian]

Maybe Grujo can take a leaf out of Serbia's book - "Serbia can survive without the EU."
Maybe he hasn't learnt to speak/read Serbian yet?

Serbia put on ice EU membership?

http://www.idividi.com.mk/vesti/balkan/728039/index.html

New York, November 24, 2011 (Reuters) - The tactics of the stick and carrot, which could be applied to the EU is not so tempting for Serbia, which could pursue their membership in the Union to make ice or even completely rejected because unwilling to separate from Kosovo, says "Wall Street Journal." The EU, which on December 9 to decide whether to join the negotiations with Serbia last month said tense relations with Kosovo must be improved. The text reads the Union, although so far not force Serbia to recognize Kosovo's independence, probably sooner or later will insist that Belgrade to take such a step, because it wants political conflict despite their financial problems. Serbia hopes to solve the Kosovo problem without have to accept Kosovo's independence, but the EU is not as firmly convinced that it is possible. Given that the cancellation of Kosovo is hardly acceptable for most Serbs consider the cradle of their culture, part of the Serbian political leadership is considering to give up pursuit of the EU. The nationalist rhetoric is again before the election rasplamtuva set for May next year, the newspaper said, putting the recent statement by the Serbian Interior Minister Ivica Dacic said that "if the price is Serbia give up Kosovo to gain membership the Union, then it should never be accepted because there are national and state interests, and Serbia can survive without the EU. "