I second the Slav vs Indigenous Macedonian theory.
It has happened on a sub conscious level. Post WW2 euphoria, good old communist education, and Yugo fever basically made a few generations of Macedonians believe that they are Slavs. Now since the average Macedonian knows as much history as a door knob, they never really contemplated what that meant for their nation, their identity, language, religion, etc.
Fast forward and as you say the evolution the mutation of that virus is evident in the Macedonian left. When combined with there globalist, pro European feelings, the idea of being Slavs just helps cement their ideology that nations in Europe are an old concept, and that one day there will be no nations, just Europeans. The whole dispute with Greece is inconvenient to their greater agenda, and since they don't believe in nationalism anyway, if being a Slav gets them into the EU then so be it, its all just in the past anyway right?
If you spend time in Macedonia, you will find that everything, and I mean everything, is tied to the two main political parties. European Slavs are essentially SDSM, Indigenous Macedonians are DPMNE. The problem is that since everything is about politics, the citizens that fall into one political affiliation or the other, don't actually perceive the situation as a choice between Slav or Macedonian, they are solely focused on the political ramifications. Their ignorance, is guiding this manifestation, rather than a conscious choice. If you framed the question right, the vast majority of Macedonians would tell you that they have always been from the region, but veer your question a little left or right, and you will hear totally contradictory assertions.
No matter what issue we talk about, everything comes back full circle that Macedonians are piss poor, morals and principles. Nothing is off limits, nothing is absolute, anything can be justified based on the situation and the question at hand. Although most pretend that they "dont care" about politics, push the right button and see how quickly you get called a DPMNE or SDSM supporter.
People in FYROM, have no baseline to form their opinions from. Even when DPMNE supporters end up on the correct side of an ideological argument, they aren't aware of it, they stumble into it, and can easily stumble out of it. This is useless to our cause. If the only reason you hold a stance is to be in opposition to someone else's stance, then you theoretically support anything.
So if DPMNE supporters technically consider themselves indigenous Macedonians for now, what use is that when DPMNE is back in power and negotiating a name change with Greece, or appeasing Albanian demands?
The only true indigenous Macedonians are few and far between, and mostly in the diaspora.
It has happened on a sub conscious level. Post WW2 euphoria, good old communist education, and Yugo fever basically made a few generations of Macedonians believe that they are Slavs. Now since the average Macedonian knows as much history as a door knob, they never really contemplated what that meant for their nation, their identity, language, religion, etc.
Fast forward and as you say the evolution the mutation of that virus is evident in the Macedonian left. When combined with there globalist, pro European feelings, the idea of being Slavs just helps cement their ideology that nations in Europe are an old concept, and that one day there will be no nations, just Europeans. The whole dispute with Greece is inconvenient to their greater agenda, and since they don't believe in nationalism anyway, if being a Slav gets them into the EU then so be it, its all just in the past anyway right?
If you spend time in Macedonia, you will find that everything, and I mean everything, is tied to the two main political parties. European Slavs are essentially SDSM, Indigenous Macedonians are DPMNE. The problem is that since everything is about politics, the citizens that fall into one political affiliation or the other, don't actually perceive the situation as a choice between Slav or Macedonian, they are solely focused on the political ramifications. Their ignorance, is guiding this manifestation, rather than a conscious choice. If you framed the question right, the vast majority of Macedonians would tell you that they have always been from the region, but veer your question a little left or right, and you will hear totally contradictory assertions.
No matter what issue we talk about, everything comes back full circle that Macedonians are piss poor, morals and principles. Nothing is off limits, nothing is absolute, anything can be justified based on the situation and the question at hand. Although most pretend that they "dont care" about politics, push the right button and see how quickly you get called a DPMNE or SDSM supporter.
People in FYROM, have no baseline to form their opinions from. Even when DPMNE supporters end up on the correct side of an ideological argument, they aren't aware of it, they stumble into it, and can easily stumble out of it. This is useless to our cause. If the only reason you hold a stance is to be in opposition to someone else's stance, then you theoretically support anything.
So if DPMNE supporters technically consider themselves indigenous Macedonians for now, what use is that when DPMNE is back in power and negotiating a name change with Greece, or appeasing Albanian demands?
The only true indigenous Macedonians are few and far between, and mostly in the diaspora.
Originally posted by Tomche Makedonche
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