Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

[Prolet]

Risto, Where does that leave us in the negotiating process??

Can we expect better times ahead with Pasok in charge or is it going to be the same old story like we had earlier?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Bye-Bye Karamanoglou and Vlakoyanni, back to Hrisi Avgi for you.......

[The LION will ROAR]

Do we also see DORA the kurva gone..?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Both Pasok and New Democracy are as bad as each other where it concerns that stick up their asses they like to call the 'name game'. It's not a matter of right or left here, both of these lunatic parties are far-right extremists when the topic of discussion is Macedonia and the Macedonian people. Actions speak louder than words, none of these racist idiots have ever given us a reason to trust them, now is no different.

[Risto the Great]

Risto, Where does that leave us in the negotiating process??

Can we expect better times ahead with Pasok in charge or is it going to be the same old story like we had earlier?

I don't think I have ever tried to predict the actions of Greeks. Other than to assume the worst from their politicians in relation to Macedonia. But PASOK now has a mandate for dialogue it would appear, so anything (as always) is possible.

[Prolet]

SOM, I know these parties dont mean anything to us, but reports from A1 suggest that it will be easier to deal with Pasok since ND are alot more nationalist and hardcore. If you recall earlier Vinozito were not even able to launch a Macedonian-Greek Dictionary

http://www.a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=114543

Со Папандреу преговорите ќе се водат полесно

Risto, I know its hard for you to trust any political Greek party, but what solution can we find with new leader Jorgos Papandreu? We have to look at what our interests are, surly it cant be any worse then negotiating with Kostas Karamanlis who he himself claims to be a Macedonian.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Prolet, исто ѓубре, all of these jokers will pretend to 'feel' Macedonian when it suits them, or come up with some other bogus connection. Time will tell how less extreme Popandreev and co. are compared to Kosta and Todorka.

[Jankovska]

Isti kurac, razni dimenzii ( da vi kazam ja po makedonski). We should stop talking to anyone in Greece and start working on our country. I read somewhere that this new leader Papata will become harsher with Turkey and probably Macedonia. Honestly I want to see him become harsher with Turkey. Harsher in what way? Crying louder to the EU about big bad Turkey. The guys are scum

[Soldier of Macedon]

http://sofiaecho.com/2009/10/04/794590_papandreou-pledges-new-path-after-greek-election-victory 

Foreign policy was also an important issue, with Karamanlis promising a tougher line against Turkey on issues such as the air space dispute between Athens and Ankara and on what Greece sees as Turkey's ineffectual record on stemming the flow of illegal immigration towares Europe, while Papandreou, a former foreign minister, promised an even tougher line against Turkey, specifically on the air space dispute.

Another issue, the long-standing dispute between Athens and Skopje about the use of the name Macedonia, saw Papandreou promising that a government led by him would be able to achieve an effective compromise.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/06/george-papandreou-sworn-greek-pm

After years of introspection under the outgoing centre-right government, Greece is also expected to become far more "open and outward looking" in its foreign policy under Papandreou. The 57-year-old, who is also the head of Socialist International, the global grouping of leftist parties, won international plaudits back in the 90s when he almost single-handedly improved relations with Ankara by daring to pursue reconciliation.

The change in style has been welcomed by western diplomats startled by the rise of nationalism and xenophobia in Greece in recent years.

Many say they are hopeful that relations with neighbouring Turkey, Macedonia and the rest of Europe will improve under Papandreou. In Istanbul and Ankara there were scenes of jubilation with some Turks cracking open bottles of champagne when news of Pasok's victory came through.

Greece, the xenophobic trouble-maker of the Balkans, the west is only now 'startled'.

Looks like the stories are mixed.

[Venom]

Yesterday he promised he would recognise Macedonia, didn't he? Now he is saying that a compromise would be reached. Eagerly we wait for the next line of EU funded bullshit negotiations.

[Prolet]

Prolet, исто ѓубре, all of these jokers will pretend to 'feel' Macedonian when it suits them, or come up with some other bogus connection. Time will tell how less extreme Popandreev and co. are compared to Kosta and Todorka.

SOM, Brat tuka nie gresime samite ote vervaj site grci ne se isti isto kako sto site makedonci,srbi,bugari,albanci ne se isti. Vo Sekoj narod ima predavnici i korisnici isto taka luge koj si go gledat svojot interes a toa vo ovoj slucaj mozi da bidi vo nasha prednost. Aj da go svrtime prashanjeto prema Grcite, dali tie po ubo ke pregovarat so VMRO ili SDSM?? Ili pa DUI ne daj Boze...

Javna Tajna e ote Papandreu dobro stoi so nasata levica, toa treba da go iskoristime za nashata cel. Drzavata e vo koalicija so levo krilci i mislam ote tie mozat i te kako da pomognat ali potrebno e samo sloga.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Пролет, никоаш не сум рекол дека сите Грци се исти, ама друга приказна е со овие политичарски свињи. Не се надеваи на лажна помош од левици, ништо нема да напраа, Грчката десница му е поважна од Македонската левица, во тоа да бидиш сигурен.

[Jankovska]

Sekako deka se isti, koj kurac pa i ti Prolet. Ti majka mu sto ti e rabota tuka, da gi portretiras Grcite kako bogovi, aj ebago. Sto e razlicen ovoj kopile od onoa? Sto mislis na nas ke ni donese? Ne bile site Grci isti, isto kako ne se site muslimani teroristi ama site teroristi u posledno vreme se muslimani. Aj da mu se snevidi, ovoa mrsulance prijatel na Sekerinska ti tuka drn mrn, vrzi magareto za trn i ostavi ga da pase suva trava.

[Prolet]

Jankovska, Sepak mozime nivnata slabost da ja pretvorime vo nasa korist toa oni go napravija vo 1994 godina i zatoa nie se narekuvame BJRM do den denes.

Grcija e vo haos, videa ote nisto ne pravat so nacionalizmot im padna vladata sega ke terat kon drug pravec.

http://www.vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=D44AC5FA143E64449BC889DBE7ADEDE8

SOM, Znam ote lugeto ne se isti ali Grcite samite gledat oti so vakov tvrd stav so uceni i zakani nema nigde da odat, veke si imat tie interni problemi i vo nivnata drzava i vo EU a nie toa treba da go iskoristime.

[Jankovska]

A be Prolet nie site znaeme deka treba da se svestat ama nikad nema da se svestat, pogolem inat od Grk nema. Oni na nas nikad nisto ne ni se dale i nema da ni dadat zatoa e najarno da si terame po nase i da ne cekame cudo da se sluci. A toa sto nie se vikame takvi iminja kolku se oni krivi tolku sme si i nie, komunjarite nasi potpisaa ime i ajdee. Ti znaes deka Grkot ke bide porado gladen i bos nego da ti priznae deka ima Makedonci. Kakva slabost nie koristime nivna? Nivnata slabost bese koga ni tresnaa veto na nas, togas trebase da bideme mazi i da ja iskoristime taa slabost i da raskineme pregovori a nie sto napravime, isto sto i 94, prodolzime da pregovarame. Grkot nas nikad nikad nikad nema da ne priznae, da ne se lazeme i da ne si pravime prikazni ke slusne nekoj ke ni se smee.