Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

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  • vicsinad
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    News Outlets Using "North Macedonians"

    I am going to post news sites that describe Macedonians as North Macedonians -- either for people to contact to tell them we're not North Macedonians, or to use to slap Northadonians in the face with, who have said that no one will call us North Macedonians because the agreement doesn't say that.

    To be fair, I don't really blame all news sites when a country changes its name. However, I know for us who aren't North Macedonians (Diaspora Macedonians and Egejsko Macedonians in Greece), we still should probably fight for our dignity and pride.


    Here's one example:

    As most readers will know, the contentious Greek ratification procedure for the Prespes Agreement ended with its passage in a vote January 25, with a margin of just three votes (153/300). That deal, signed in June 2018, is designed to resolve the Name Dispute once and for all between Greece and its northern neighbour, now renamed as North Macedonia. Just a few technical steps are required under the terms of the Prespes Agreement to enter into force, but for all intents and purposes, the work is complete.

    New Europe will now refer to North Macedonia, the country’s newly-approved constitutional name. We have been careful to refer to the country as Macedonia/FYROM up to this point and will use that term only in a historical context or if the discussion requires this for clarity. We will use the adjective “North Macedonian” as needed, slightly shorter than the term “of North Macedonia” which the Prespes deal spells out.

    And much like New Yorkers and New Zealanders are described in a two-word moniker, New Europe will describe the country’s citizens as North Macedonians, hoping to avoid the term “Macedonian/citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia” as spelt out in the Prespes Agreement. We hope our journalistic colleagues will refrain from shortening the adjective to a one-word term, as this shortcut serves to undercut most of what the Prespes Agreement is said to have attained, the use of one name for all purposes. This will take time.

    The entry of North Macedonia into NATO is long overdue, but it should not be seen as the ultimate guarantee of stability in the Western Balkans, simply a new hard barrier aimed at Moscow. As for NATO’s track record, all one has to do is to look at how little success NATO has had through the years in calming Greek-Turkish competition over the Aegean.

    North Macedonia’s entry into the EU will take years to negotiate and may well occur at a time when the EU itself is being deconstructed or reconstructed. Get out your crystal balls.

    The deal’s supporters should refrain from praising the Prespes Agreement too loudly and simply get down to the business of solidly anchoring North Macedonia into Euro-Atlantic intuitions. It is not the best of the best by any means. There are valid concerns that democratic practices were circumvented in the battle to get the Prespes Agreement ratified in both Greece and North Macedonia. The current Greek leadership steadfastly refused to consider asking its people about the deal in a referendum or requiring a 2/3 majority to ratify it in Parliament, while in North Macedonia the failed September 30 referendum was ignored, questionable practices were used to secure key opposition party votes when needed, as well as the position of the country’s popularly-elected President somehow bypassed.

    To numerous observers, it appeared at times both countries’ leaders spent more time fighting public opinion in their own countries than in negotiating a balanced mutually-beneficial deal with the UN’s help.

    New Europe will be watching for key world powers to recognize North Macedonia by its new constitutional name, as many have long promised. This is important and should not be delayed. Likewise, we are on the alert for Russia’s threat to use its UN Security Council veto whenever an attempt is made to remove the old Name Dispute from the UN agenda. The last chapter may not have been completed yet.
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  • Niko777
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    Police of North Macedonia start stamping Macedonian passports at border crossings

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  • Niko777
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    The Greek Secret Intelligence Agency just posted a job ad that it is looking for people who speak the "Macedonian (South Slavic) language" lol

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  • Carlin
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  • Vangelovski
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    Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
    I found him...
    Hahahahaha

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  • maco2envy
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    This is glorious

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  • Phoenix
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    Originally posted by Vangelovski View Post
    A Greek guy working from his command centre which is also his mum's basement.
    I found him...

    Last edited by Phoenix; 02-14-2019, 08:02 AM.

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  • Vangelovski
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    Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
    User 'Jingby' is one of those vultures that sticks out like a sore thumb. What type of loser makes 5 wikipedia edits that relate to Macedonian matters everyday day since 2006, unless he is a paid shill.
    A Greek guy working from his command centre which is also his mum's basement.

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  • maco2envy
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    User 'Jingby' is one of those vultures that sticks out like a sore thumb. What type of loser makes 5 wikipedia edits that relate to Macedonian matters everyday day since 2006, unless he is a paid shill.
    Last edited by maco2envy; 02-14-2019, 06:22 AM.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    I haven't seen anything like that yet. But then again, this is Wikipedia and it's no secret that the Macedonian pages are infested with Greek and Bulgarian idiots denigrating our history.

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  • maco2envy
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    What else would be changed aside from the state name?
    Maybe people trying to change the ethnicity and/or the language to "North Macedonian" due to poor interpretation of the treaty or just simple trolling.

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    Originally posted by maco2envy View Post
    Any examples apart from changing the state name?
    What else would be changed aside from the state name?

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  • maco2envy
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    Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
    The battle for justice just became that much harder. Even those vultures who edit pages on Wikipedia haven't wasted any time on applying the disgusting new nomenclature on pages associated with Macedonia.
    Any examples apart from changing the state name?

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  • Soldier of Macedon
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    The battle for justice just became that much harder. Even those vultures who edit pages on Wikipedia haven't wasted any time on applying the disgusting new nomenclature on pages associated with Macedonia.

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  • Carlin
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    UN officially notified of Macedonia's name change to Republic of North Macedonia

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    - United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has received official notification from the Macedonian government to change the name of the Balkan country to the Republic of North Macedonia.

    - Mr Guterres on Wednesday (Feb 13) welcomed the development that ends a decades-old dispute between Greece and Macedonia over the Balkan country's name.

    - A notice will be sent to the General Assembly and the Security Council to inform them of the change, a UN official said.

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