Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue

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  • sf.
    Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 387

    I am willing to let that go if Greece can answer why the name "Macedonia" became "exclusively" Greek only after it discovered that the Republic of Macedonia was about to declare its independence from the Yugoslav Federation in 1991? Why didnīt Greece voice concerns in 1945 when the Republic of Macedonia became a Republic in the Yugoslav Federation by using exactly that very same name. Why the concern now?

    Was it by any chance that when the Republic of Macedonia declared its independence from the Yugoslav Federation, Greece was caught by surprise and didnīt know what else to do so it "invented" the name issue?

    Greece, for almost a century, has been struggling to smother the Macedonian identity living on its own soil since Greece illegally invaded, occupied and annexed Macedonian lands. Then all of a sudden an entire nation of Macedonians gained their independence just next door. Panic stricken, not knowing what to do, Greece invented a problem in hopes of putting the Macedonians on the defensive.

    What if these Macedonians started to complain about how their compatriots in Greece were treated over the years? What if those who were wronged, exiled, had their citizenship taken away, had their lands and properties confiscated, families and relatives jailed, abused and murdered, what if they start complaining? We canīt have the world know about that! So, what to do? Why not then "invent" a problem for the Macedonians to focus on; like they canīt have the name "Macedonia" because that name is exclusively Greek?

    If Greece suddenly assumed "the victim role" and without being provoked declared, as it is used to falsely declaring, that "Big bad Macedonia" wants to usurp their so-called "Greek name" because this nation of bad people has "territorial aspirations" towards its own non-existent northern province also called "Macedonia", then perhaps it could get some attention. Perhaps if it screamed "rape and murder" long and loud enough then someone might hear and come to its rescue.
    Great article.

    Since their occupation, greece have always tried to legitimise their claim on Macedonia. They have tried to eradicate an independent Macedonian conciousness, and replace it with a greek one. The movement for a greek-Macedonia however, became an overtly populist-government sponsored one after Macedonia's independence.

    As mentioned, their claims of an irredentist state on their northern borders is a diversionary tactic, but it betrays the truth. If anything, they have less to fear now, and this is partly why they have become emboldened. When Yugoslavia existed, they had to distance themselves from publicising a 'Macedonian' province, because of the persistant threat posed by a powerful neighbour, and the link shared between a people across its borders. So greece operated by stealth, continuing to assimilate and destroy its minorities. After the break-up, it felt it could do as it pleases.

    Note: How many times have you seen the question of how a small country as 'RoM' could be a threat to Greece? Add the above info to demonstrate that it's an unsubstantiated political argument/tactic that not even the greeks believe.
    Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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    • Risto the Great
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 15660

      Never an issue indeed. I agree.
      Risto the Great
      MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
      "Holding my breath for the revolution."

      Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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      • sf.
        Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 387

        I just need to add: The claims of Macedonian irredentist aspirations are diversionary. The name issue is not, because an international acceptance of an independent Macedonian state with its own identity and language poses a threat to the greek image and aims. Theirs is a house of cards.
        Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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        • Risto the Great
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 15660

          Welcome sf.
          Risto the Great
          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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          • Prolet
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 5241

            Good To see here here SF

            Welcome Aboard
            МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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            • makedonche
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2008
              • 3242

              welcome sf
              very good article posted by dimko, and good response from you!
              On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"

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              • sf.
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 387

                Thanks for the welcome. Hope I can contribute something.
                Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful. - Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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                • Bill77
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 4545

                  Droutsas: Greece is not your Enemy, We just want to Change your name...

                  Droutsas: Greece is not your Enemy, We just want to Change your name...


                  The name of the northern neighbour must be for general use including a geographical qualifier, which will distinguish it as a part of the wider region of Macedonia, says Greece's Alternate Foreign Minister Dimitris Droutsas in an interview with German daily "Süddeutsche Zeitung".

                  - This needs to be done because a small part of Macedonia’s historical area wants to claim representation of the whole region entirely for itself. Greece cannot accept this because the greatest part of this region lies within our own territory, states Droutsas, ignoring the question why are there three parts of Macedonia.


                  He admits that many Europeans do not understand Greece's position, and believe Athens uses the name dispute to block the EU integration of Macedonia.


                  Droutsas claims the new Greek government is making attempts to find a solution to the issue by urging direct contacts with Macedonia . He notes that PM George Papandreou after taking up office invited his Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski to a meeting and stresses that Greeks are biggest investors in Macedonia.




                  - Unfortunately, the government of Skopje has been painting a very negative picture of Greece over the past few years. We want to explain to the neighbouring country's people that Greece is not the enemy. Greece is a very friendly country that can become the true supporter of Skopje’s accession perspective in the EU. But before accession negotiations start, the name issue has to be resolved, says Alternate FM Droutsas.

                  Mr. Droutsas became popular in Macedonian media after he claimed that he was 'born Macedonian and would die Macedonian'. His biography uncovered Mr. Droutsas is Cypriot born to Austrian mother...
                  http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                  • Bill77
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 4545

                    QUOTE: " Droutsas: Greece is not your Enemy, We just want to Change your name...

                    We are also not your enemy, but we want you to f@!k your selves with your wish's............Friend.


                    QUOTE: "Greece cannot accept this because the greatest part of this region lies within our own territory, states Droutsas, ignoring the question why are there three parts of Macedonia".


                    As John Mcenroe use to say "Answer the question Jerk"



                    QUOTE: "Unfortunately, the government of Skopje has been painting a very negative picture of Greece over the past few years".

                    You Greeks have done all the damage your selves. And still do.



                    QUOTE: "Mr. Droutsas became popular in Macedonian media after he claimed that he was 'born Macedonian and would die Macedonian'. His biography uncovered Mr. Droutsas is Cypriot born to Austrian mother... "

                    Caught out lying again. hahahahaha .... ouch, another bullet through your own foot.




                    Thats my Rant for the day.
                    Last edited by Bill77; 02-22-2010, 07:44 AM.
                    http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                    • osiris
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1969

                      this clown is the pefect greek politician, lie about anything even ones own self and be so stupid enough to make such a bizarre nonsensical statement.

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                      • Soldier of Macedon
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 13675

                        This guy is a racist, plain and simple.
                        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                        • Prolet
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 5241

                          He can change his own name, if he wants to be a friend then he should support how our people want to be called.
                          МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.

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                          • osiris
                            Senior Member
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1969

                            and an idiot who also happens to be a shadow minister of nation, can you believe it.

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13675

                              At the beginning it is hard to believe, but this is Greece we are talking about, anything goes with the mix of criminals, thieves and racists that run the government of that country.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • osiris
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1969

                                greece sure marches to a different drum som one that only the truly corrupt can appreciate.

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