He is an idiot. Like most slovenian politicians. What territorial aspirations is he talking about? With this statement he puts himself in the same league as Thaler..or even worse....moron...
Macedonia & Greece: Name Issue
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???? WHOSE Macedonia???????
I propose anyone that is not of Macedonian origin to keep their mouths shut!!!!
'Our Kacin' can shove his proposal where the sun don't shine, Macedonia does not need any other country to rebaptize it, nor does Macedonia need Kacin to be its new godfather.
MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MACEDONIA MACEDONIA
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS
Macedonia was partitioned, our people have been undergoing a century of ethnic and cultural GENOCIDE and now foreigners are proposing a new name
I propose a new name for Slovenia - SLOVENLY"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Would you please answer this question - Macedonia for EU membership to the detriment of Macedonia's sovereignty and name?
There is no economic prosperity for Macedonia with EU membership. Ireland's economic status is pitiful and the cost of living is exorbitant. Countries in the EU do not have any prosperity, Greece is in default and insolvent, the drachma is worthless and Bulgaria is also being crippled financially.
Private and foreign investment within Macedonia is what will strengthen Macedonia's economy, it is not necessary to be part of the EU for them to achieve this.
Macedonia does not need to enter the EU and be held to ransom by a union that has done little to achieve economic growth with their member states, other than a reverse market.
Macedonian politicians should be encouraging foreign trade and private investment with Turkey and China, and removing the red tape for the Macedonian diaspora to be able to invest in business, and build up infrastructure to set the foundations for Macedonia to prosper.
In October 2008 we had "the global financial crises", and Macedonia, like the rest of the world has been affected by this, the EU and losing her name will not achieve anything other than a loss of sovereignty and name and be accountable for handouts which will end up lining the politicians pockets
Currency Trader, how can you justify Macedonia losing its name to enter a union that is financially drowning?"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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What a joke after eeons of time Macedonia has allways been referred as macedonia.We should have the right to self determination.No one can rename us.No one can determine the name for us.No one can force us to change our name.Our name is /was /will be macedonia get it right."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Everyone is having a good laugh at our expense and deservedly so. Our vassal politicians are the morons that have put us in this position and the Macedonian people sit idly by...If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostEveryone is having a good laugh at our expense and deservedly so. Our vassal politicians are the morons that have put us in this position and the Macedonian people sit idly by...
...and this is exactly what many people just don't get! Thats why we have discussions and threads that go for weeks on end and countless pages and posts and opinions and heresay and BS...BS...BS... - the whole thing would come to an abrupt end when Macedonia walks into the UN and says here you go our name is Macedonia, that is what you will refer to us as - full stop!On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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RtG said:
Are you in favour of fixed exchanged rates CT? Most people agree it is preferable to float rates. The benefits are obvious and immediate. The USA has gained from the lower exchange rate. The weak EU countries are effectively hamstrung because they do not have this economic policy tool to work with
The long term growth rate for U.S does not rely on a weak US dollar, period – The fundamental factor for growth has been capital investments and domestic consumption which together accounts for more than 80% of the growth. Manipulating the currency has never been a growth factor for U.S.
You talk about weak EU countries being hamstrung by not having the ability to manipulate the currency because they are tied to the floating EUR – I repeat; countries that rely on the ability to devalue or manipulate their exchange rate for the sake of economic growth are structurally weak in the first place. Domestic consumption is not as strong as it should be, or domestic competition is poor relative to other nations.
Secondly, what you don’t seem to understand, is that if the exchange rate is of concern, they don't have to adopt it. Some countries have chosen not to use EUR but still be part of EU.
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The debt will increase, there is absolutely no doubt. Bulgaria is a decent example. Debt will triple. If it doesn't, the benefits you espouse won't happen
I’ll repeat:
How much is the EU debt for Macedonia?
What kind of debt are you referring to?
For what specific reasons will the foreign debt triple?
And how did you arrive to a” tripling” of debt - Do you have an economic model?
Every country has some form of debt on their national balance sheets, so WHY should Macedonia not have any debt, even if the debt is in EUR?
I’ve note that people in this thread really like to use Bulgaria as some kind of example.
Tell me more about Bulgaria’s debt - what kind of debt is there, and HOW has this debt hampered their growth rate in the last 5-10 years?
Show me an econometric model that has put a dent on their growth due to their debt, can you do that?
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New members LIKE MACEDONIA have zero political maturity, zero governance of institutions etc etc ... put ZERO in front of all of the above things EXCEPT for taxation.
If this was a fact, Macedonia would not receive top-grades for development among Balkan states when receiving the Schengen visa-free travel. Secondly, EU commission would not forward a recommendation for EU negotiations. Stick to facts instead of extreme and sweeping comments.
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Prove to me that trade will improve by more if Macedonia joins the EU.
Moreover, being in EU, Macedonia will be less anonymous than staying outside. This too can be a factor for growth.
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RtG said:
I like Bulgaria
Anybody can post a chart, but what do you actually UNDERSTAND from the Bulgarian chart that you like?
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It does not have to follow the same labour laws and it has flexibility that will not exist when it is subjected to the same regulations as all of the other EU countries.
Which EU regulations would make Macedonia less flexible that you are referring to?
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It would have immediately been reflected in a currency downfall. The EU buffer would not have propped up its lies for so long.
So you are saying that Greece’s negligence would not have happen eventually because it would immediately have been reflected in a currency downfall – That’s a simplistic argument, but not realistic.
A currency sell-off would need to be based on some information coming to light. And in order for that to happen, someone would have to disclose some very important information concerning, for example, Greece’s debt structures - Greece had made some complex debt structures thru swaps deals with foreign banks.
These deals were supposedly not known to EU and therefore Greece could go on with it for some years without currency or debt markets knowing anything about it. Information can be hidden for a long time. And even if EU knew about it, the information did not reach currency markets for some years. So don’t expect that the negligence of a country will “immediately” be reflected in a currency downfall.
As for your argument of EU buffer to prop up Greece’s lies for so long, sure, EU supervision and enforcement of national accounting standards has been a disaster.
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The EU is EXTREMELY optimistic about it what it can do to Macedonia.
Are they – in what way is EU extremely optimistic about Macedonia?
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RtG said:
You did not address the actual EU resolutions at all. You should
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But take a look at Bulgaria if you want a pretty picture of the magic that the EU creates.
Again, can you show me specifically WHAT it is that you have a hang-up on Bulgaria for being in EU?
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ct a lot of countries don't want membership because of sovereignity issues.THe benefits of
the eu are far less outweigh the huge expolitatation that takes place after.In reality what macedonia wants is the handouts that go with it & there is a price to pay.You look at the economies of greece ,spain,Ireland more is to follow.In my view they had good intentions when they set the eu up but that's not enough."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Julie said:
There is no economic prosperity for Macedonia with EU membership.
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Ireland's economic status is pitiful and the cost of living is exorbitant.
After multi-year rapid growth expansion, perhaps the longest in EU between 1997-2007, Ireland is experiencing a sharp recession. If you know anything about economic cycles, a ten-year expansion is quite an accomplishment. And during this enormous expansion some sectors developed a bubble, which has become a “norm” these days. Having said that, Ireland will eventually bounce back.
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Countries in the EU do not have any prosperity
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Greece is in default and insolvent, the drachma is worthless
When did they reinstate the Drachma?
While Greece is in terrible shape, they are likely to get the support needed to get thru this.
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Bulgaria is also being crippled financially.
What metrics are you using?
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Currency Trader, how can you justify Macedonia losing its name to enter a union that is financially drowning?
While EU has debt issues on hand, they will eventually get thru this with fiscal discipline. Besides, EU is not the only region with debt on its balance sheet.
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Originally posted by Currency TraderWhere have I said that Macedonia should lose its name?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Currency Trader are you a column chair Economist or will you shock the Macedonian populace by giving them a wake up notice that they will be nostalgic about how life was outside of the EU fold once they cant afford kissing their own arses after they no longer are Macedonian but anything Sofia and Athens wants
Oh and thanks for lifting my ban SOM and not announcing my removal to forum membersLast edited by Frank; 04-16-2011, 06:50 PM.
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Originally posted by Frank View PostOh and thanks for lifting my ban SOM and not announcing my removal to forum members
In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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SOM, you might add this question too;
Do you think that EU membership is a realistic option "EVEN" if Macedonia would change its name?
Who can give you the guarantee that Greece/Cyprus, Bulgaria or France wouldn't block your membership negotiation process by bringing new set of demands on the table or by inventing some stupid reason???
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