Please let me know where you clarified your statement of "Too much nationalism and the ancient rhetoric from Macedonia have damaged our reputation".
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Risto the Great
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Again, Pelister has taken many statements out of context, twisted them and spun them around.
In terms of negotiations, I just said what Nimetz said in a public forum. Macedonia is not required to negotiate, but if Macedonia wants to join EU, NATO etc, then those are the conditions. So he is right, if the government of Macedonia does not want to join EU and NATO we can walk out of these negotiations. Unfortunately, (it is not UMD's fault) the entry in these organizations seems to be conditioned on the negotiations process.
If the government of the Republic of Macedonia stopped the negotiations, UMD would be the first to applaud this decision.
Now, where is UMD's fault in all this?
Everybody is frustrated with the position in which Macedonia is put. We should not negotiate for our name and identity. That is something that has been part of the Macedonians for several millenniums.Last edited by amitreski; 03-30-2010, 07:43 AM."No, it is not the critic who counts. Not the one who points out how a strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and may come up short, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails daring greatly." - Theodore Roosevelt
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"No, it is not the critic who counts. Not the one who points out how a strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and may come up short, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails daring greatly." - Theodore Roosevelt
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Thats an update for whats planned in 2010, im talking about what was achieved in 2009.
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Originally posted by amitreski View PostHaving a self appointed board is because the organization was at its infancy and you want to get it off the ground. Since the organization has been founded we have seen increase in membership, increase in funding, increase of support. I guess we are doing something right.
I am not criticizing your decision to have a self-appointed board in the organisation's infancy. I am pointing out the contradiction between not having had any general meeting of members yet, but claiming that your policies are formulated by the will of the members, while dismissing (former) UMD members as something akin to a bunch of stray barking dogs by the roadside.All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
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Originally posted by amitreskiIgor
Have you directed your criticism to the Macedonian government on this issue? If my memory serves me well, it was the Macedonian government that signed this agreement and it implementing it.
But your question is out of place on this thread. Where do you see me criticizing the UMD on this thread or suggesting that it signed the Ohrid Framework Agreement? I have merely asked the simple question of whether the above quoted UMD statement amounts to support for the Ohrid Framework Agreement. What is your answer?All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
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So here is an extract of the post you refer to:
Originally posted by amitreskiWhat happened was Macedonia started investing in monuments that were used to harm our public image to international diplomats. In my meetings with International diplomats that was relayed to me. That Macedonia was nationalistic, that Macedonia wanted to attack Greece, etc. To walk out of meetings and be told that Macedonia is a terrible neighbor just for planning to build a monument opposite to what Greece has been doing to Macedonia is appalling. This is all bullshit, but shows how polished the Greek diplomacy is. We just did not seize the moment. I have no problem about these monuments, just questioning the timing and hoped we were more strategic.
In terms of negotiations, I just said what Nimetz said in a public forum. Macedonia is not required to negotiate, but if Macedonia wants to join EU, NATO etc, then those are the conditions. So he is right, if the government of Macedonia does not want to join EU and NATO we can walk out of these negotiations. Unfortunately, (it is not UMD's fault) the entry in these organizations seems to be conditioned on the negotiations process.
If the government of the Republic of Macedonia stopped the negotiations, UMD would be the first to applaud this decision.
You say: "If the government of the Republic of Macedonia stopped the negotiations, UMD would be the first to applaud this decision."
You also say NATO and EU entry would not be possible if Macedonia withdrew from the negotiation process. Based on constructive logic, can we therefore safely assume the UMD stands for no EU and NATO entry?Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
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Originally posted by amitreski View PostOn a public forum? Are you kidding?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Mitreski,
Were is this "opinion-piece" that Meto wrote for The Age?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by aleksandrov View PostDo you really not see the point I made or are you avoiding it?
I am not criticizing your decision to have a self-appointed board in the organisation's infancy. I am pointing out the contradiction between not having had any general meeting of members yet, but claiming that your policies are formulated by the will of the members, while dismissing (former) UMD members as something akin to a bunch of stray barking dogs by the roadside.
Compare what A. Mitrevski is saying about the views of the membership with the following statement by M. Koloski:
Meto Koloski: "UMD’s membership wants Macedonia to pull out of negotiations, end the Interim Accord, and not discuss Macedonia’s name and identity. UMD has taken this approach and this is the official policy of the organization."
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Originally posted by aleksandrov View PostI refuse to believe that you are so dense as to believe what you just said there. And I hope you take that as a compliment.
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Originally posted by amitreskiI hope that Meto's trip in Australia is seen as a way to polarize the Macedonians in Australia
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostI know exactly what he is implying. Here is the relevant excerpt from the original email that Mitreski sent to Pelister:
i am sure many of you have seen this article, but i stilll think it deserves s thread on here. Greece is plugged in the Matrix, Macedonia should too By Gorazd V. September 4, 2008 http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3219/1/ Macedonia , as a country, is in negotiations with Greece for the past
How does one interpret that? Why should we accept that it is a must to negotiate on our name if we want to enter certain international organisations? I don't share that opinion. If we are to enter any organisation, our name shouldn't be up for discussion, period. If it does get brought up as a condition of entry, then we should walk away. That is what the UMD should have been telling the government, rather than fearing the 'unknown' of what might happen were we to "say fuck off and stop negotiations". At the end of his email, Mitreski also makes the following statement:
But Mitreski says earlier in the email that "what would happen next nobody knows". How are these two points reconciled? Why aren't they talking in public rather than in private? Does the UMD stand to lose something if it echoes the true voice of the Macedonian Diaspora in an overt manner?
Now who is twisting words and making re-interpretations? Mitreski said "he is right" in reference to Macedonia being 'bound' to negotiate its name for the purpose of entering international organisations. He did not, as falsely indicated in the above quoted text, say "he is right" with regard to Macedonia not being required to negotiate its name.
Clearly "UMD" drones like "Buktop", "TK", and the rest are simply repeating a well-rehearsed political mantra that "Pelister" is "lying" when in fact it IS now CLEAR that A. Mitreski (as well as Koloski) is the one who is twisting the facts.
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