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Originally posted by El Bre View PostThanks RtG. There is no doubt that we find ourselves in a situation that, in this day and age, no nation deserves to be in, but, I fail to see how these appendages can be construed as treacherous for neither implies any racial or geographical meaning.
Its the act of 'imposing' something against our wishes that is totally unacceptable, regardless of the perceived connotation of the said 'appendage'...whether it be construed harmless or otherwise...it shouldn't be 'acceptable' to us and we must fight any adoption of it.
To accept such an appendage would create the grounds to entertain other 'acceptances' and where does one put a stop to it once the ball starts rolling...?
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostAt least hang the people that influenced policy first.
Where in the USA should we go first?
But are you saying that we should excuse the indifference of those who had the opportunity to prevent capitulation? Are you suggesting that those who could have made a difference, but didn't, are any less culpable than those who played a direct part in the capitulation?"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostBuktop, are you serious?
So if Obama and Biden say that America is an illegal occupier in countries all over the world, the American public are supposed to keep those comments separate from the official policy of the American government? You can't be serious. What would people think of them and their integrity, along with that of their administration? Probably the same thing that people think of Meto and the UMD.
What people need to start doing is make these so-called 'leaders' who speak on our behalf in an official capacity, accountable for their own actions and words. Keep em' honest, as we say. I am sure you have seen the Adelaide clip Buktop, again Meto has shown his acceptance of the 'democratic' prefix. It's a done deal, he has sunk himself.
Every person is entitled to an opinion, and while you may have highlighted several which you do not agree with, it is the overall board which votes on the policy and therefor individual opinions are not to be misconstrued as UMD policy.
You have every right to keep em honest, I would just like it to be done in a more constructive manner, not in the way it has transpired. This whole forum has become a UMD witch hunt. The thread about Mr Rann is very disappointing to say the least. It is also very revealing, and I never cease to be amazed at the lengths some go to in the name of "keeping UMD honest" especially when the topic at hand had nothing to do with UMD, but rather having a Macedonian do an interview with a piece of shit.
I saw the Adelaide clips and I have to say you are overreacting, he was justifying his personal acceptance of the Democratic modifier at the time, he was not advocating that the entire diaspora accept it, but that it was more palatable than Yugoslav as a representative term internationally.Last edited by Buktop; 02-08-2010, 04:01 AM."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by BuktopFirst of all you cannot compare the UMD board of directors with the United States government. UMD board decisions are reached by consensus, not by a single person like in the US.
.......while you may have highlighted several which you do not agree with...
Did you see Meto re-affirming his acceptance of the 'democratic' prefix in Adelaide a few days ago?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Phoenix View PostI thought you answered the question yourself brother...
Its the act of 'imposing' something against our wishes that is totally unacceptable, regardless of the perceived connotation of the said 'appendage'...whether it be construed harmless or otherwise...it shouldn't be 'acceptable' to us and we must fight any adoption of it.
To accept such an appendage would create the grounds to entertain other 'acceptances' and where does one put a stop to it once the ball starts rolling...?
Well said Phoenix, only the Macedonians have the right to name their country, their language, themselves.. forced to do otherwise is wrong on so many levelsThe one who tells the story rules the World - Hopi proverb
“Your highness, when I said that you are like a stream of bat's piss, I only meant that you shine out like a shaft of gold when all around is dark” - Monty Python
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostBuktop, your objectivity has suffered in the defence of the UMD, greatly. Are you now saying that all decisions of the US government come from a single person? Help me understand mate.
Hang on, I thought you shared my understanding on some of them, you are still of the same opinion, aren't you?
Did you see Meto re-affirming his acceptance of the 'democratic' prefix in Adelaide a few days ago?
I personally do not support a name change, and I agreed with you that the idea was not something that I could support either, I am still of that same opinion, but that is not to say that Meto cannot have his own opinion, and his own reasoning for reaching that opinion.
See my above post edit, sorry it took me a little while to edit the post."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostDon't forget the citizens who had a chance to stop it but did nothing... I think we should hang the whole country for being traitors.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostHow could they have made a difference? Did we not go over the circumstances of this event and the 'coincidental' US recognition of Macedonia about the same time?"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Jankovska View PostHow many Macedonians died in 2001, now you tell me what did they die for? So ONA can build spomenici na nivnite heroi and past and present gov to allow everything because they were and still are forced by the West and America. What did they die for? Be careful what you say because there are people on this forum who lost close ones in 2001. If we are hanging should we start with you? I mean you didn't fight, you didn't defend and now you have a problem with the ones that did?
And how can we blame those that are left in the dark and unaware with what hapens behind closed doors. Those that suposedly are aware, how can we blame them when the Mak government and other Mak groups (not naming names) spin and use scare mongering in to accepting situations.http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873
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Originally posted by Jankovska View PostHow many Macedonians died in 2001, now you tell me what did they die for? So ONA can build spomenici na nivnite heroi and past and present gov to allow everything because they were and still are forced by the West and America. What did they die for? Be careful what you say because there are people on this forum who lost close ones in 2001. If we are hanging should we start with you? I mean you didn't fight, you didn't defend and now you have a problem with the ones that did?
If you didn't vote in the 2004 referendum why didn't you?"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Don't take that tone with me young man. Macedonia was given to the albanians because the United States of America and the EU gave it to them, not you or me. Orders were given and had to be followed. I do blame Trajkovski and the gov but not the people, everyone went to fight in 2001, but you can not send soldiers to fight but not giving them the right to attack or defend themselves. The West caused it and our gov betrayed us in every way, but whatever you do, stay away from judging the people.
I didn't vote because I was in the UK. My parents wanted to vote but the voting room in the gimnazija was shut. You go and explain to me why?
I will not allow anyone here to bash at the Macedonian people, especially if you don't live in Macedonia. Leve them the hell alone, if you not gonna help them stop blaiming them for everything. Afterall if they all moved away like we did Macedonia would be long gone.
Buktop the Serbs fought for kosovo, did they get to keep it?
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostUnited states policy is primarily shaped by the president, initiatives are made on his say so. He has a board of advisers, but ultimately he has the final say as to what direction his government takes.
You fail to understand that the political figures who are in front of the cameras are just puppets.The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostYou think US recognition persuaded common Macedonians to not vote? The average Macedonian citizen doesn't give a shit what country recognizes them, ...All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
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