United Macedonia Diaspora

[Mikail]

Many Macedonians (and non-Macedonians for that matter), don't appear to understand that Macedonian's have done nothing but compromise in order to achieve that ultimate goal of sovereignty.

There is no room left for any more concessions for us to make.

Further compromise is no longer an option.

It is a shame UMD has chosen not to comment here.

[Vangelovski]

No it is not.

Another disengenious attempt. Are you now claiming that a defence of the Interim Accord does not show support? What does it show Aleks? Subservience maybe? UMD has gone beyond defending it, it has called on Greece to abide by it. If if calls on Greece to abide by it, then UMD must expect Macedonia to do the same.

[Vangelovski]

What anti-Macedonian institutions? NATO and EU? The same institutions that are supported by the Macedonians in The Republic of Macedonia by 90%?

Mitreski - are you claiming that NATO and the EU do not have any anti-Macedonia policies? How do you explain their insistence that Macedonia implement the Framework Agreement and (to use UMD's own word) "abide" by the Interim Accord? Or do you believe that these treasonous agreements are not anti-Macedonian?

[Vangelovski]

Meto right now does not support ANY NAME CHANGE.

Yes, maybe RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW being the key words. But we know how he is capable of flip-flopping, like other UMD board members, depending on the "circumstances" and the "proposals at the time".

[Vangelovski]

Mitreski, seeing as your posting again, maybe you could provide an answer to this?

[Vangelovski]

Back to the top - Mitreski/Meto?

[Homer MakeDonski]

Another disengenious attempt. Are you now claiming that a defence of the Interim Accord does not show support? What does it show Aleks? Subservience maybe? UMD has gone beyond defending it, it has called on Greece to abide by it. If if calls on Greece to abide by it, then UMD must expect Macedonia to do the same.

UMD behind Interim Accord ?
UMD supporting F.Y.R.O.M. ?




Does it means UMD also has quited supporting Macedonian national minority at occupied territory's (if it was any support ? )

[Vangelovski]

Just to remind the readers what the Interim Accord is and what UMD supports:

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The full text of the Interim Accord (from the UN database) can be found here:

http://untreaty.un.org/unts/120001_1...3/00004456.pdf


Key Articles in the Interim Accord which Undermine Macedonian Sovereignty

a) Macedonia agrees to negotiate over its name (Article 5);

b) Macedonia agrees to renounce all claims to its ethnic/historic territory and agrees NOT to pursue the rights of Macedonians not only in Greece but in ANY OTHER STATE (Article 6);

c) Macedonia agrees to renounce the Sonce as its national symbol AND any other symbols that Greece considers to be part of its historic or cultural heritage (Article 7);

d) Macedonia agrees to only enter international organisations under FYROM (Article 11); and

e) Macedonia agrees that the two parties will not “resolve” the name dispute through the International Court of Justice – i.e., Igor Janev’s proposal (Article 21).

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UMD can make all sorts of statements, but that the end of the day, the substance lies here and UMD has repeadetly called for the implementatin of this Accord.

[Serdarot]

YouTube - Boxer dog barking at geese



me barking at some geese (guski)

[UMDiaspora.org]

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[Bill77]

Pelister

In his speech Meto said that at the time he though Democratic seemed like a good option to solve the name issue and move on to work on the human rights issue for the Macedonians in greece, Bulgaria, Albania, work on economic development, cultural promotion, etc.

He admitted that he made a mistake and that right now he does not think he should have supported that change in the first place. Meto right now does not support ANY NAME CHANGE.

UMD HAS NEVER supported a name change, as you can see in many press releases and our resolution from the global conference.

Once again NO NAME CHANGE.

Meto Has to be Careful when he speaks in public regarding the Name issue. As a president of UMD, people see him wearing the UMD hat when he makes comments.

Unless he cleary stated "Its not The UMD position just my own opinion, that we should change the name" Then he would understandably be understood as speaking on UMD behalf, which i think he was clearly speaking on UMD (The Organisation) behalf.

There for, your statement that i highlited, "Meto said that at the time he though Democratic seemed like a good option" and " UMD HAS NEVER supported a name change" is some what hypocritical.



Regarding your Next post, 90% Macedonians suport EU integration.
That argument and figure is irelevant to this argument or issue.
What is relevant, is the figure how many would reject EU integration if we had to change the Name.

[Prolet]

e) Macedonia agrees that the two parties will not “resolve” the name dispute through the International Court of Justice – i.e., Igor Janev’s proposal (Article 21).

Thats right, however article D was broken which there makes the agreement invalid.

[Pelister]

What anti-Macedonian institutions? NATO and EU? The same institutions that are supported by the Macedonians in The Republic of Macedonia by 90%?

I am talking about the policies, the processes and practices of the E.U and NATO institutions toward the Macedonians.

Are the terms Greece has put to the Macedonians acceptable to you? So why are they acceptable to the E.U and to NATO?

How do you explain the E.U insistence or NATO'S insistance on Macedonia "finding a solution" to what is an illegitimate dispute?

The "negotiations" and other Western processes are designed to get a few individuals to sign away or reject/renounce our identity for all time. How do you explain UMD's defence of these anti-Macedonian processes and the Western organizations that drive them?

If you can produce a poll that shows over 90% of Macedonians wanting to join the E.U, I"d like to see it. Even if you can it is not really addressing the critical issue which is not our entry into the E.U but the fact that we are negotiating our historical identity to do it.

The last poll showed that over 90% of Macedonians do not want the negotiations to continue.

The real issue is that there are forces and processes working to get us to renounce our historical identity.

In a typical UMD fashion once again you seem to be deflecting attention away from this critical point.

[Pelister]

If its not being supplied by UMD then it either does not exist or its too damaging to UMD to re-produce it.

Any idea when it might have been published if at all?

[Pelister]

No it is not.

If all the statements UMD have released defending the term FYROM, defending the negotiations, defending the Interim Accord, even berating Greece for not being serious about a name change - cannot be constituted as evidence of UMD's position, then what can?