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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostThanks for the response, I hope your efforts will bring positives for the Macedonian Cause. However, the below statement:
I am not sure what to make of it. Is that the way you distinguish between the Macedonian part wrongfully acquired by Greece and the Macedonian part in the republic? I hope not.
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Vodenka, perhaps you should check this page, the links and the clips. I am a Macedonian in the Diaspora and I do not find statements as the above an acceptable representation of the Macedonian sentiment outside of the republic. Obtain a better understanding of what's really going on here before the next time you involve yourself in discussions relating to the UMD and its relationship of the people it apparently 'represents'.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by vodenka View PostNo, I mean some Egejci activists who prefer to make their "borba" from there, instead of being here with us to struggle in each macedonian town and village. Anyway, we cannot all be or think the same way, right?
Something still puzzles me, I am unsure about why you would make such a distinction between these two parts of Macedonia. Are you making reference to the Republic of Macedonia as "Skopje, Macedonia" because some Egejci choose to carry out activities there rather than in the Macedonian part in Greece? Is that supposed to be an insult towards them?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostVodenka, perhaps you should check this page, the links and the clips. I am a Macedonian in the Diaspora and I do not find statements as the above an acceptable representation of the Macedonian sentiment outside of the republic. Obtain a better understanding of what's really going on here before the next time you involve yourself in discussions relating to the UMD and its relationship of the people it apparently 'represents'.
Next month we will start a new term of Macedonian language classes for 4 groups, in Voden and one more place (not Solun) I prefer not to tell now (maybe after the classes are over, and pls do not ask why).
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostNo we cannot, but we can certainly agree on some common factors, such as the kinship between Macedonians from all parts of Macedonia. Don't you agree?
Something still puzzles me, I am unsure about why you would make such a distinction between these two parts of Macedonia. Are you making reference to the Republic of Macedonia as "Skopje, Macedonia" because some Egejci choose to carry out activities there rather than in the Macedonian part in Greece? Is that supposed to be an insult towards them?
My oppinion is that some Egejci sell patriotism in Skopje and use this to get business and preveleges. I do not like this kind of people, that's all. If someone decides to do some activism, he must be able to do it, too. If he needs to do just business, he has to stop kidding himself and the others, as human rights activist.
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Originally posted by vodenka View PostLook, I wrote Skopje meaning the capital city of Macedonia (if I had wrtitten Skopje(plain) you would have asked me if I call the country Skopje like the greeks do!) because I know they are there, in that city.
My oppinion is that some Egejci sell patriotism in Skopje and use this to get business and preveleges. I do not like this kind of people, that's all. If someone decides to do some activism, he must be able to do it, too. If he needs to do just business, he has to stop kidding himself and the others, as human rights activist.
In simple words you despise those ppl.
But I would be honored if you can backup those accusations and to point out who is doing that and how.
It's very important to know who are we dealing, we don't need such clowns parading in front of our cause.
I would just take my freedom to correct you in one segment, the activism is not tenable with no resources such as money.
For you to publish or print matherial for your school or to make CD copies or renting a classroom and simmilar things the business aside is a necessity.The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot
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Originally posted by Bratot View PostIn simple words you despise those ppl.
But I would be honored if you can backup those accusations and to point out who is doing that and how.
It's very important to know who are we dealing, we don't need such clowns parading in front of our cause.
I would just take my freedom to correct you in one segment, the activism is not tenable with no resources such as money.
For you to publish or print matherial for your school or to make CD copies or renting a classroom and simmilar things the business aside is a necessity.
We spent € 1,200, in one year and for organizing the classes. We made our point that when there is a will there is a way, with few resources. For us is very important the people to understand that they must save our language which is still alive in our villages: if our people getto know how to read and write in cyrillic, we think the language will be saved. We cannot wait politicians (Vinozhito) to bring the language in the public schools as it is almost 20 years that we hear them talking but they have done nothing about it. We took initiative and hope we will make people (especially the younger) to want to learn the language, which is not the case now. The excuse that we do not have money, again is only an excuse: we do not have much, but was enough to start.
And we do not have a regular school: we use the small apartment we rent as office for the Educative and Cultural Movement of Voden. We have no books, we use photocopies. But we learn something.Last edited by vodenka; 02-20-2010, 03:12 PM.
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Vodenka with all due respect but you are missing my question and my point.
If you want to do it your way and to teach Macedonian lang. as some illegal activity for the rest of your life, that's fine with me and you owed my admiration. Most probably your dedication will be noted in our history.The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot
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Originally posted by Bratot View PostVodenka with all due respect but you are missing my question and my point.
If you want to do it your way and to teach Macedonian lang. as some illegal activity for the rest of your life, that's fine with me and you owed my admiration. Most probably your dedication will be noted in our history.
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My apologies to 'Bratot' and others, I don't mean to divert your discussion with 'Vodenka' but I'd like to ask her a question out of curiosity while she's here actively participating in this thread.
Vodenka, what do you think are the approximate numbers of Macedonian professionals in greece today, do we have a significant number of teachers (i don't mean those teaching Macedonian, rather those in the greek education system), whether they be at primary, secondary or tertiary level, do we have professionals in the medical field for example or in civil service at the various levels of government or successful business operators?
I guess I want to develop a picture of how entrenched the Macedonians have become in modern greece.
From reading much of your posts I get the impression that we're only just starting to find our feet in modern greece but somehow that notion doesn't make any sense at all to me...?
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No problem Phoenix. Forums work in this way normally. Personally, I am more interested in the impact of the economic uncertainty for Greece and the attitude of Macedonians who have embraced the Greek myths. I wonder if they are an increasingly viable target due to the economy.Risto the Great
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"Holding my breath for the revolution."
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Originally posted by VodenkaEven if some time I may disagree on some statements, it does not make me be negative on their work on the whole. I keep what is good.
I do not get in particularities on ideological matters or how they are working on the ground as I have no possibility to have a complete image of the situation in Australia, Canada, etc.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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