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He seems to have been too busy with the Bulgarophile leadership of the MPO, do what you can to ensure that our brothers and sisters at Kajgana know what sort of garbage ideas these fools wish to promote.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Kukuraiko, here's an 'novel' idea for you, don't give a free pass to those that agree with and support the stupid decisions our governments have made, lest you start looking as they do, opportunistic fools that are prepared to concede anything.
Don't you UMD supporters have any self-respect as Macedonians?In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostKukuraiko, here's an 'novel' idea for you, don't give a free pass to those that agree with and support the stupid decisions our governments have made, lest you start looking as they do, opportunistic fools that are prepared to concede anything.
Don't you UMD supporters have any self-respect as Macedonians?
Organize the people here on the MTO to write as many e-mails as possible to Gruevski/Ivanov & Co. conveying your message about the cause and your feelings about the negotiations.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt
“I criticize by creation, not by finding fault”
Marcus Tullius CiceroLast edited by Buktop; 05-05-2010, 12:03 AM."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostWhile you are busy talking about UMD and their supporters, you could be contacting your government representatives, EU officials, Macedonian officials, and tell them how you feel... rather than wasting time arguing that UMD and their followers are anti-Macedonian, try being constructive and proactive. There will always be ideological differences that separate Macedonians, but we will always have an identity that unites us.
Organize the people here on the MTO to write as many e-mails as possible to Gruevski/Ivanov & Co. conveying your message about the cause and your feelings about the negotiations.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt
You can try to gloss over these FUNDAMENTAL differences like our Bulgar neighbours do, but the fact is we are talking about apples and oranges.
As to your quote, Meto's face is marred in nothing, and secondly, what counts in the reason for one's faced been marred. What principles is this person struggling for? What vision does he promote for the future? What interpretation does he hold of the past?
The reason we do not agree with each other is because our vision's for Macedonia and the Macedonian people are FUNDAMENTALY different. We may both call ourselves Macedonians, but we have a FUNDAMENTALLY different understanding of what a Macedonian is or should be.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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You sound exactly like Meto, a true UMD apologist. I will spend my time as I see fit, and if I see it fit to make people aware of what sort of fools there are leading the UMD, and what sort of policies the UMD wish to pursue, and how they are detrimental to the Macedonian Cause, I will do exactly that.
You can dance the uzicko with Meto in the meantime.
And please, spare me your advice on what the MTO should and shouldn't be doing, you have absolutely no idea about what is taking place and the initiatives we are working on, and you have no clue of what it means to have integrity and consistency in an organisation.
All you know, is how to be an apologist for a fool.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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This also coming from the same guy that needed the same story told to him in a thousand different ways before he could see past Meto's shit, and then swam straight back into it.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostHow can our identity "unite" us when it is our identity that is shapped by our vision and our principles. Our divergent visions means that our self-perception and identity is different as well. The UMDovci seek a particular type of nation based on a particular set of principles, history, and vision for the future, while ours is based on a completely different set of principles, history and vision for the future.
You can try to gloss over these FUNDAMENTAL differences like our Bulgar neighbours do, but the fact is we are talking about apples and oranges.
As to your quote, Meto's face is marred in nothing, and secondly, what counts in the reason for one's faced been marred. What principles is this person struggling for? What vision does he promote for the future? What interpretation does he hold of the past?
The reason we do not agree with each other is because our vision's for Macedonia and the Macedonian people are FUNDAMENTALY different. We may both call ourselves Macedonians, but we have a FUNDAMENTALLY different understanding of what a Macedonian is or should be.
“There are many paths to the top of the mountain, but the view is always the same” Chinese Proverb"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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The UMD are absolutely irrelevant in my opinion as far as the Macedonian Cause is concerned. I see little purpose in attacking them as compared to the Macedonian Government. It may bring short lived joy to vent some fury at Macedonian injustices via them, but ultimately, they are merely puppets for the Macedonian Government. This may not have been their agenda, but in order not to offend the Macedonian Government, they look like it and smell like it.
The UMD for all intents and purposes is the voice of the Macedonian Government in the Diaspora. And it would be a gross injustice to the many many active and patriotic Macedonians who have fought and those who continue to fight for the Macedonian Cause to ignore their concerns about Macedonian Diaspora organisations such as this. I have noticed a very simple kind of response from UMetoD TM nowadays after he is attacked by Australian Macedonians ... something to the effect of "How can you help Australia recognise Macedonia by its constitutional name". It is kind of a bitchy way of turning it back on Australian Macedonians instead of looking inwards and finally providing clarification of the UMD's agenda.
It is disappointing to see an organisation like UMetoD develop into what it has become. It could have been more useful to Macedonians but now is too tainted to harness respect in my opinion. The UMetoD has shown its colours and appeals to very compliant and subservient Macedonians. They would have been the "second in charge" in Ottoman times. Kind of like faithful dogs. We should be demanding much more than that nowadays.
But again, the focus needs to be turned on to more important things.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
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Originally posted by Risto the GreatIt could have been more useful to Macedonians but now is too tainted to harness respect in my opinion.
But again, the focus needs to be turned on to more important things.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Buktop,
This is more UMD style gloss that you're trying to shine on.
It has nothing to do with approach - we have a different vision. The substance of our disagreements is about our visions for the future and about our understanding of what a Macedonian is/should be.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostCompletely agree.
It does, but if these clowns are trying to make waves and consequently misinforming and lying to Macedonians worldwide, then they need to be exposed for the contradicting conglomerate they are. We can't allow them to achieve their distorted aims, the integrity of our people rests with self-respecting Macedonians who will always maintain their stance in the face of opportunism and treachery.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by VangelovskiI know a lot of activists who's gut reaction is to ignore UMD, but UMD now represents everything that they stand against.
When I "attack" UMD, I'm not trying to attack Meto or the organisation per se, but the ideas they put forward.
Don't allow yourself to be an opportunistic tool, and you won't be classified as a treacherous fool. -- SoM (There's a quote for you Buktop).In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostYou sound exactly like Meto, a true UMD apologist. I will spend my time as I see fit, and if I see it fit to make people aware of what sort of fools there are leading the UMD, and what sort of policies the UMD wish to pursue, and how they are detrimental to the Macedonian Cause, I will do exactly that.
You can dance the uzicko with Meto in the meantime.
And please, spare me your advice on what the MTO should and shouldn't be doing, you have absolutely no idea about what is taking place and the initiatives we are working on, and you have no clue of what it means to have integrity and consistency in an organisation.
All you know, is how to be an apologist for a fool.
Come now SoM, I have been consistent since back at Maknews, and I have done nothing which would suggest that I lack integrity.
This also coming from the same guy that needed the same story told to him in a thousand different ways before he could see past Meto's shit, and then swam straight back into it."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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