Originally posted by julie
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He may even get a UMD award named after himself - UMD's Buktopian Hero Award.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Phoenix, you crack me up be batkoFrom the village of P’pezhani, Tashko Popov, Dimitar Popov-Skenderov and Todor Trpenov were beaten and sentenced to 12 years prison. Pavle Mevchev and Atanas Popov from Vrbeni and Boreshnica joined them in early 1927, they were soon after transferred to Kozhani and executed. As they were leaving Lerin they were heard to shout "With our death, Macedonia will not be lost. Our blood will run, but other Macedonians will rise from it"
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Originally posted by Buktop View Post...perhaps you haven't read Order of the President of the Court of 19 March 1996. Commission of the European Communities v Hellenic Republic. Removal from the register. Case C-120/94.
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Whereas the examples you cited in Cameroon and Iran are completely different from the Macedonian situation, and can not be compared.
And to think that you claimed to have an intimate knowledge of law (or legal principle) when you don't even know what the hell the actual legal argument is... I have posted this case several times only to have it shrugged off by none other than yourself (as well as aleksandrov) The only one to actually respond to my posting of this case was Dzog, showing true legal prowess.
You on the other hand, have not shown the same professionalism, nor even comparable legal knowledge when it concerns international law and Macedonia...
Please apply your true legal prowess to concisely explain why you have posted "this" case several times?
What is the ratio decidendi that you are trying to draw our attention to?All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer
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Originally posted by Buktop View PostAfter reading this post, all I can say is that I can only believe this sums up the feelings of Australians here on the forum about American Macedonians. I don't know why there is such a hatred for Macedonians that reside in America (and no, don't excuse yourselves by saying that you only hate Macedonians that blindly support America, because I have never exhibited this on this forum and yet I have constantly been accused of it).
Though I despise the actions the Democrats of America have taken in regards to Macedonia, what I can say is that America has done more for Macedonia than Australia ever could hope to do, even though it has supported insurgents, supported name changes, and threatened Macedonia with bombings, America has still done more good for Macedonia than Australia... That is pathetic considering that the biggest concentration of Macedonians in the diaspora are in Australia.
Again, prove what USA has done for Macedonia and weigh it carefully against what it has done against Macedonia. Then feel free to compare it with Australia.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Buktop wrote:
What good is your name when you have divided all the communities in the world?
Is Buktop even a Macedonian? You have pissed me off now.
Its morons like yourself dividing our country and shitting all over our history, and shitting all over our sacrifices.
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Originally posted by julie View PostBuktop, pray tell, what strategies should RoM have in place?
And while you are there, have you double checked your sources with your organisation so that you are not misrepresenting them.
I did not realise you were a lawyer, so forgive my ignorance and stupidity, however, your lack of respect is quite offensive, and I do not need any academic qualification in US yamkee doodlelaw land to tell you that you should perhaps put yours to good use in wiping the verbal diarhea off of you
territorial disputes - for goodness sake. RoM is hardly in a position to RIGHTFULLY ANNEX AND RECLAIM egeysa, mala prespa and pirinska Makedonia
You are obviously one of those traitor types that did not have any loss of life in their bloodline which is why you are so dispassionate with us losing our heritage and name and bow down to the likes of organisations that dont give a shit
You continue to provoke and belittle Vangelovski and Indigen who are patriots to the Macedonian cause.
am not sure what your cause and fight is for . unless it is to create disharmony and disunity.
neznam od kade si, poteklo mozhe e ili srbski ili grchki oti Makedonetz vaka ne pravi kako shto pravish ti, se sitat dushmanite so nas shto chitat vaka, and dare I say this even UMD dont bow down to your level
Buktop's not a lawyer, he only dabbles in it during his spare time. He has claimed he is an economist, but I seriously have to question any tertiary training he may have had.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostHe may even get a UMD award named after himself - UMD's Buktopian Hero Award.
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostBuktop,
I never claimed to have an "intimate knowledge of law" - you assumed that yourself, perhaps as a result of reading my posts
You are a subservient VASSAL and each and every one of your posts attests to that.
The fact that you legitimise Greece's "concerns" as being a factor in limiting Macedonia from naming itself or informing the UN of its state name is a further testament to your subservience.
Freedom has no place in you, nor do you have a place in a free society. I'm not surprised people like Putin and Tito are your heroes.
I have never legitimated Greece's "concerns" it should be very obvious to you that other countries are legitimating them. Something you should be more concerned about..."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by julie View PostBuktop, pray tell, what strategies should RoM have in place?
And while you are there, have you double checked your sources with your organisation so that you are not misrepresenting them.
I did not realise you were a lawyer, so forgive my ignorance and stupidity, however, your lack of respect is quite offensive, and I do not need any academic qualification in US yamkee doodlelaw land to tell you that you should perhaps put yours to good use in wiping the verbal diarhea off of you
My lack of respect for what? Countless name calling, profanity and obscenities directed towards me? If you want respect, start showing me some...
territorial disputes - for goodness sake. RoM is hardly in a position to RIGHTFULLY ANNEX AND RECLAIM egeysa, mala prespa and pirinska Makedonia
You are obviously one of those traitor types that did not have any loss of life in their bloodline which is why you are so dispassionate with us losing our heritage and name and bow down to the likes of organisations that dont give a shit
You continue to provoke and belittle Vangelovski and Indigen who are patriots to the Macedonian cause.
am not sure what your cause and fight is for . unless it is to create disharmony and disunity.
neznam od kade si, poteklo mozhe e ili srbski ili grchki oti Makedonetz vaka ne pravi kako shto pravish ti, se sitat dushmanite so nas shto chitat vaka, and dare I say this even UMD dont bow down to your level"I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by aleksandrov View PostBucktop,
Please apply your true legal prowess to concisely explain why you have posted "this" case several times?
What is the ratio decidendi that you are trying to draw our attention to?
I have never claimed to be a legal expert, nor have I claimed that I have practiced law, I am posting this case as an observer, and an enthusiast.
This case decided that Greece would not be responsible for paying the costs incurred by Macedonia and that actions taken by Greece were justified, as well as the invoking of interim measures.
My view of this case is that it gives legality to actions taken by Greece against Macedonia, and that Greece is not responsible for costs incurred by Macedonia as a result of those actions. This says to me that if a similar situation occurs in the future, that we may see similar measures taken by Greece. Though we know in reality, this is not the case, and completely against the principles of sovereignty and human rights.
I am genuinely interested in your opinion, and I am also interested if you know of any other articles or precedents that may bare weight on the illegality of actions taken by Greece, I have been trying to do some research, but again, I am no expert."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostBuktop,aside from (temporarily) naming Macedonia as Macedonia. The USA has done far worse to Macedonia than Australia. 2001 comes as a crowning moment for them in my opinion."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Phoenix View PostBuktop, for a guy who claims he doesn't know what the UMD board are debating you're never short of a possible explanation...
The minute somebody dares criticize UMD you're on here spin-doctoring your interpretation of the things that you allegedly have no idea of, that UMD are debating...between the alleged UMD debating and your interpetations of their allegedly unknown debating its clear that you and the UMD are master-debaters..."I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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Originally posted by Phoenix View PostApparently Buktop is an economist, which reminds me of a good joke I heard and it goes a long way in explaining the way he is when it comes to interpreting UMD statements...
A mathematician, an accountant and an economist apply for the same job.
The interviewer calls in the mathematician and asks "What do two plus two equal?" The mathematician replies "Four." The interviewer asks "Four, exactly?" The mathematician looks at the interviewer incredulously and says "Yes, four, exactly."
Then the interviewer calls in the accountant and asks the same question "What do two plus two equal?" The accountant says "On average, four - give or take ten percent, but on average, four."
Then the interviewer calls in the economist and poses the same question "What do two plus two equal?"
The economist gets up, locks the door, closes the shade, sits down next to the interviewer and says "What do you want it to equal?""I'm happy to answer any question and I don't hide from that"
Never once say you walk upon your final way
though skies of steel obscure the blue of day.
Our long awaited hour will draw near
and our footsteps will thunder - We are Here!
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