United Macedonia Diaspora

[Makedonska_Kafana]

their negative self- exposure has caused some irreversible damage MK, and MTO has been far too patient with their bullshit and alliance for name change and support of the framework agreement.
I am disgusted in their hellenisation of forum members names here, they call that open debate, yet they wont answer a single question.
What have they done for the Macedonian cause?
Oh , boat trips for their US compatriots,
Hey anyone that is a UMD member out there, look where your money is going, you are paying their way for their affluent life style. Have a big re-think about the transparency of an organisation, that does not provide financial s to members, and supports anti-Macedonian political parties and campaigns

I'm more concerned about the "screw" because he's been fighting this battle alone for the most part on two fronts including his own backyard. I have been called a Greek spy and Grkoman by not only him but also other UMD board members in the past and I know who is saying what - flakes and trippers.

If I don't agree that makes me a Greek spy - wtf is that about?

Their (his) OWN WORDS have come back to BITE them "you have proven time and time again you can't be trusted" And you people at the UMD can? FU!

[Pelister]

The FACTS remain that UMD supported a name change and negotiations to effect it (and probably still do) and they continue to support those two treasonous agreements that have destroyed Macedonia as a free state. They have consistently demonstrated their support for these agreements by advocating in favour of their provisions and using them as justifications for their policies.

It would be a good idea to create a locked thread that lists the terms and conditions of these agreements, i.e., Interim Accord and Framework (as you have listed them Tom), if only to demonstrate to other Macedonians what exactly UMD has been supporting, but also for reference so Macedonians have an idea of what their leaders have in fact signed.

[Vangelovski]

It would be a good idea to create a locked thread that lists the terms and conditions of these agreements, i.e., Interim Accord and Framework (as you have listed them Tom), if only to demonstrate to other Macedonians what exactly UMD has been supporting, but also for reference so Macedonians have an idea of what their leaders have in fact signed.

I agree - Admins, is that possible - a run down of the Interim Accord and Framework Agreement for reference?

[Pelister]

I'm more concerned about the "screw" because he's been fighting this battle alone for the most part on two fronts including his own backyard. I have been called a Greek spy and Grkoman by not only him but also other UMD board members in the past and I know who is saying what - flakes and trippers.

If I don't agree that makes me a Greek spy - wtf is that about?

Their (his) OWN WORDS have come back to BITE them "you have proven time and time again you can't be trusted" And you people at the UMD can? FU!

Its hard to know exactly who is who these days. Times have changed. UMD have driven a wedge and split our local communities at the grass roots level. They have recruited good Macedonians with 'key note' speeches that really amounted to clever PR - big on bullshit small in substance. Their 'big announcements' are 'I talked to the UN advisor for...', 'I had a meeting with the Macedonian President'. This just makes them dangerous, particularly when all the hard evidence points to one thing, UMD support for the Interim Accord, the Framework Agreement, and the negotiation process. Its taken them 5 years to change their rhetoric, only because some Macedonians had the courage to stand up to the lies of the few. I mean imagine a self appointed and self proclaimed individual telling people behind closed doors of our willingness to compromise, as though he was speaking for all Macedonians in the diaspora, rather than the several hundred members of that club? When the slick presentations, gala balls and dinners and 'meetings' fade away, all that is left is what they do. Imagine refusing to take action to stop the negotiations, after that bullshit 'Where as...' press release, as though UMD were re-affirming a position on the negotiations that they always had. It was not the case then, and it is not the case now. UMD are like the old MPO recruiting Macedonians to their 'cause' by lying about what they actually stand for.

[Vangelovski]

Tom, George is not a board member (yet) but I think he's still a member of the MPO? If not, his cousin is ..

Larry Koroloff, Director

My mistake - I wasn't referring to George. I was thinking of Goran Saveski. Unless Mark Branov (who lied and claimed he had no affiliation with UMD) has come back as the "Screwdriver".

[Bratot]

Prolet, that's all well and good, but you're a day late and a dollar short, my friend. Yes, a proper discussion is severely lacking, that's the entire problem. So, if RTG and others want to get nasty, I can do that, too. And if they want to get civilized, I would welcome that. The problem is that, on this site, the moderators are some of the worst offenders, so the hypocrisy is incredible.

Do you think changing their name in the same way Metaxas did to our people is nasty only to them?

If you are convinced that the best option you have to deal the arguments against UMD is the offensive terminology and the immature behavior than you can be sure it speaks only about your (in)sanity and bad intentions.

It is pathetic to have an organisation claiming to represents the Macedonian interests (UMD) letting out some loyalists out of her camp to take care of its inability to deal the critics.

Everyone does mistakes, we learn every day, and the crown from Meto's head will not fall if he simply accept some of his or the generally UMD positions were/are defected.

[Risto the Great]

You really are sensitive all of a sudden for someone who definitely knows how to dish it out. I must have hit a nerve. But do I really have to remind you of how many swear words, insults and lies have you hurled, and just recently at that? Are you suffering from amnesia?

Yes. Please remind me of every instance. I mean it.

No, it's not "an attack on your identity", whatever the hell that means, so don't blow a head valve, dedo. Your shock and alarm is very false considering your recent tirades, and no one cares more for our Aegean and Pirin brothers more than I do.

Interesting. For someone who cares about his brothers in the South and East, you choose to use Greek names for us. Please don't care for me anymore. By the way, you look like a 15 year old in the above text. Shouldn't you be on the porn-sites instead of trying to mix it with adults here?

You obviously can't debate me, and deleting me would only prove me point - open debate is not allowed on this site. If you want civilized, you have to act civilized, chap. It's really simple.

I have done more than that .... I have pwned you. lol pots g2g

Hard to say for sure, but that's certainly how it appears.

Actually, it might appear like that. In fact, the reality is that we support anyone furthering the Macedonian Cause. The fact that you think it is only AMHRC shows that you are limited in your outlook and that the AMHRC is furthering the Macedonian Cause as it has done for over 20 years.

That is bullshit, I suggested it's essentially no different as a provisional reference, therefore a non-issue, and you are the one has twisted that to suit your purposes.

What exactly is a non-issue? That Democratic Macedonia is no different to Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia as far as provisional references go? And that you reject them both? Can you tell me where that happened in amongst your teenage angst on this thread?

What exactly is the non-issue? That Meto said it is better than Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonians? You are really going to have to slither your way out of this one. How did you graduate from the UMD school of smoke and mirrors so fast, especially given the fact that you are no more than 15 years of age?

A reminder of what you said:

In the second part, he's essentially talking about replacing the term "Yugoslav" from this provisional reference and replacing it with "Democratic" which is essentially a non-issue. We are not Slavs, and the Republic ne e na jug na nisto osven Srbija... so the term "Yugoslav" is a pretty stupid aspect of this reference, in the 21st century, when the Tito is dead, and the country Yugoslavia died with him.

We are indeed not Slavs, I have never met one. So we are "Democratic" and that is fine with you? You give everyone here the impression that Democratic is better than something to do with Yugoslavia. Please tell me what I misunderstood. Type it slowly so I can turn up my hearing aid.

Ajde na dedo dete

[Risto the Great]

My mistake - I wasn't referring to George. I was thinking of Goran Saveski. Unless Mark Branov (who lied and claimed he had no affiliation with UMD) has come back as the "Screwdriver".

Hang on, isn't Mark Branov deluding himself here as Mr Brandy? It is so hard to keep up with the one or two people who represents all the UMD supporters online nowadays.

[Vangelovski]

Hang on, isn't Mark Branov deluding himself here as Mr Brandy? It is so hard to keep up with the one or two people who represents all the UMD supporters online nowadays.

Possibly...who knows. UMD Board Members are like council workers - the newby has to do the hard work and defend Meto's track record.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Screwdriver,

You have accused people at the MTO of all sorts, yet contiually avoided the question I have posed to you, namely - What have you done to further the Macedonian Cause? (No, kissing Meto's treacherous arse doesn't count). Fail to answer it again, and you will be sent packing back to Maknews.

You've come, you've spammed, you've avoided the single most important question with regard to yourself, and now you've been sent packing. You have a day or two holidays to consider a response to the question I posed. Fail to answer it again, and you won't come back at all. I am sick of posers like you polluting our forum.

[Phoenix]

SoM, don't ban 'Screwdriver', he will stand testament to the eternal ineptitude of UMD for everyone to see, he's as fake as rubber dog shit and banning him is his easy way out.

Keep him here, lets see how this UMD mouthpiece defends his organization, their policies, their strategies and the constantly growing list of embarrassing gaffes...

[Vangelovski]

I've just come across an interesting comment on UMD's website. One of its selling points to NATO in favour of Macedonian membership is as follows:

Upon NATO accession, Macedonia will be ready to quickly deploy troops as part of NATO operations without prior parliamentary approval.

http://umdiaspora.org/content/blogcategory/23/53/

The emphasis in italics is UMD's. Imagine that, UMD promoting the use of Macedonian troops WITHOUT Parliamentary approval at the behest of NATO.

Another interesting UMD statement:

The United Macedonian Diaspora urges the International Community’s intervention and institutionalization of continuous long-term mechanisms necessary against those who threaten the stability, the economic development, and the continued multi-ethnic development of the democratic process in Macedonia;

What ever happened to Macedonian self-government? It appears that UMD favours a vassal state governed by international organisations and has provided further subtle support for the Framework Agreement, which deconstructs Macedonia as a nation-state of the Macedonian people and reconstructs it as a state of unnamed multi-ethnic citizens.

[Soldier of Macedon]

SoM, don't ban 'Screwdriver', he will stand testament to the eternal ineptitude of UMD for everyone to see, he's as fake as rubber dog shit and banning him is his easy way out.

Keep him here, lets see how this UMD mouthpiece defends his organization, their policies, their strategies and the constantly growing list of embarrassing gaffes...

Phoenix, fear not, it's a temporary suspension, just to get us away from the stench for a couple of days and allow the guy to calm down. If and/or when he returns, he will answer my question, or I will ban him permanently. He will not be permitted to come here and insult our members, accuse them of all sorts of garbage and demean the MTO while avoiding to stipulate exactly what he has done himself to further the Macedonian Cause. As for myself, my contribution, although humble, is valid. I have spent countless hours for the purpose of writing several articles which have been published at the MTO (and Maknews before that, when it was worthy of being called a Macedonian website) to improve the knowledge of both Macedonian and non-Macedonian readers where it concerns the history of Macedonia and the greater Balkan region. I have carried out analysis' of various texts and presented them in a manner that is logical and provides a clarified picture and context of certain events concerning our history. Together with a handful of others, I created this website and forum that now has several fantastic members, an ever-broadening network of proud Macedonians from all over the world, helping this place to truly develop into a forum from the people, for the people. The Macedonian people.

That's my example, as I said before, humble, call it minimal in the greater scheme, whatever, it is nevertheless valid. What has this guy done? Personally, I don't care if it dwarfs my contribution, good on him if that is the case. However, I want to know what it is about his contribution that he feels gives him the right to come here and behave like a depraved lunatic as he disrespects the MTO. And no, being a mere UMD apologist is not enough.

[UMDiaspora.org]

U.S. Midterm Elections and Macedonia

The recent midterm elections brought vast changes to the composition of the United States Congress. The Republicans established firm control of the U.S. House of Representatives and Democrats maintain only a slim Senate majority in a shake-up that will invariably affect U.S. domestic and foreign policy goals.

Read full article: http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/509/1/

[Makedonska_Kafana]

What Do the U.S. Midterm Elections Mean for Macedonians who call Diaspora their home? Who do you exactly represent the United States of America?

How does this help the Macedonian children born in Diaspora - education and employment?