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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I never suggested:
1) That a nation must be a member of the UN;
2) That international laws can trump national laws (but they can and they do... do some research into environmental laws and laws of the sea...and the law of armed conflict);
3) That the UN is an elected body;
4) That the UN is affiliated with NATO;
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5) That there is a provision in the UN Charter stating that what the UN decides on must be accepted by NATO.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostNo, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I never suggested:
1) That a nation must be a member of the UN;
2) That international laws can trump national laws (but they can and they do... do some research into environmental laws and laws of the sea...and the law of armed conflict);
3) That the UN is an elected body;
4) That the UN is affiliated with NATO;
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5) That there is a provision in the UN Charter stating that what the UN decides on must be accepted by NATO.
Originally posted by vicsinad View PostSure, not the best analogy, but it gets the point across I think: UN is pretty much the body that represents admission into the international legal world. Macedonia, although bullied into it, accepted FYROM as its name for the UN...and that trickles down to every other international organization where the members are UN members, where international law under the UN and its branches applies.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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It's no secret that the vast majority of the world's states are members of the UN. It's no secret that all states of the EU and NATO are members of the UN. All UN member states have voluntarily bound themselves to the UN Charter (and resolutions and such that arise out of that). Just because NATO is a different organization than the UN, it does not mean that UN members who are members of NATO are not bound by the UN Charter when they are operating under the name 'NATO'. UN is in essence a legal and political body. NATO is basically a defense and military body.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostSure, not the best analogy, but it gets the point across I think: UN is pretty much the body that represents admission into the international legal world. Macedonia, although bullied into it, accepted FYROM as its name for the UN...and that trickles down to every other international organization where the members are UN members, where international law under the UN and its branches applies.
Originally posted by vicsinad View PostNo, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I never suggestedOriginally posted by vicsinad View Post4) That the UN is affiliated with NATO;Originally posted by vicsinad View PostIt's no secret that the vast majority of the world's states are members of the UN. It's no secret that all states of the EU and NATO are members of the UN. All UN member states have voluntarily bound themselves to the UN Charter (and resolutions and such that arise out of that). Just because NATO is a different organization than the UN, it does not mean that UN members who are members of NATO are not bound by the UN Charter when they are operating under the name 'NATO'. UN is in essence a legal and political body. NATO is basically a defense and military body.
What exactly are you trying to say Victor? Are you saying that the UN's resolution on Macedonia's name applies to NATO or not?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Yes and no. No, in that individual NATO members can choose to use whatever name they want with Macedonia, and so can NATO if it chooses to. Yes, because countries generally aim at deferring to resolutions made under/with/through the UN...and Article 11 of the Interim Accord has that whole thing about Greece not blocking Macedonia from entering international organizations based on the established name in the IA. So UN members are more likely going to point to that bi-lateral, internationally (UN) respected agreement rather than not, whether they're doing so as part of NATO or another organization.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostYes and no. No, in that individual NATO members can choose to use whatever name they want with Macedonia, and so can NATO if it chooses to. Yes, because countries generally aim at deferring to resolutions made under/with/through the UN...and Article 11 of the Interim Accord has that whole thing about Greece not blocking Macedonia from entering international organizations based on the established name in the IA. So UN members are more likely going to point to that bi-lateral, internationally (UN) respected agreement rather than not, whether they're doing so as part of NATO or another organization.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostIt's called being objective. I know your ego doesn't have room for it, but I hope someone as scholarly as yourself would at least acknowledge that the world isn't black and white.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostIs that what you use to stroke it when looking at Meto's pictures on the UMD website?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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Originally posted by Vangelovski View PostVictor, why is it that people like you, who cannot argue the substantive issue, always resort to penis jokes in the end?
Tom, why is it that people like you, who cannot argue the substantive issue, always resort to labeling someone as being hypocritical, contradictory, and a back-tracker in the end?
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostTom, why is it that people like you, who cannot argue the substantive issue, always resort to labeling someone as being hypocritical, contradictory, and a back-tracker in the end?If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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1800s -- Turks slaughter tens of thousands Macedonians fighting for freedom from the Ottoman Empire
Mid-late 1800s -- Serbs, Greeks and Bulgars initiate assimilation of Macedonian people.
1913 -- Macedonia divided by her neighbors.
WW1 -- Macedonia suffers greatly by Bulgarian, Serb and Greek occupation
1900s in general -- Greeks kill, murder and ethnically cleanse Macedonians, and deny them the most fundamental of rights.
WW2 -- Bulgaria and Albania occupy Macedonia.
1948-1949-- Greece expels and cleanses tens of thousands of Macedonians.
1990s -- Greece forces Macedonia, after a blockade, to be called FYROM and to change its flag.
2001 -- terrorist and paramilitary Albanian groups strike in Macedonia
2011 -- the ICJ rules against Greece in a case between Macedonia and Greece.
What does Tom Vangelovski have to say about what happened in 2011?
“This is perhaps one of the darkest hours in the history of the struggle for Macedonian freedom.”
Only an egoistical, self-serving nationalist would even dare put the above court ruling in the same category as the real "dark hours" of Macedonia's history.
You're creativity is splendid in the above instance -- too bad it's sensational bullshit. You must be the star in your own soap opera.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostOnly an egoistical, self-serving nationalist would even dare put the above court ruling in the same category as the real "dark hours" of Macedonia's history.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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