Nikola Gruevski

[Coolski]

Prolet, just a few comments.

Tribes or not they were here first. Scientific evidence which suggests that theyve been here for 40,000 years has been developed by the descendants of the English invasion. Why would they want to promote such information if it was not true?

Ethnic Australians- no such thing. Australia is too young to have developed our own ethnic group. That will take many more centuries and concentrated efforts by the government.

Aboriginal Benefits- The Aboriginal people in today's Australia do not paint a good picture. They are not traditional, and they do not fit in to modern Australian society. They have been absolutely screwed up by the predecessors of Australia and this heritage has filtered through to the state of their communities today. When you consider the stolen generation, forced assimilations etc. you might be able to see that their modern social problems have stemmed from previous racist policies. In a community which passed its value systems to its children through cross-generational communication, i'm sure you can imagine that stealing an entire generation of children and putting them into cruel orphan care (when they werent orphans) is going to effect the way these children go on to bring up their children. The Australian government is giving special privileges to these people now because of how badly they screwed them up before. Yes, I think that the Labor government is too easy on the hand outs and in fact encourages more parasitic behaviour, but the world is not as simple as you described it.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Aboriginals are a tribe nothing more, they never done anything good for Australia other then state that its their land when in reality everybody in Australia is discriminated even the Ethnic Australians because they have to give their tax funds to the Aborigines. The Fact that the Aborigines have privileges more then anybody in Australia starting from free health care to free education to free housing all the way to free entry to University just because they are Aboriginal do you think thats fair just because they claim that Australia is their land??

They have no proof that they have been around for 40,000 years, its a childrens story book.............

Prolet, of all your posts thus far at the MTO, this has to rank among the most uneducated and elementary.

Thankfully, YOU and YOUR opinion are that of one person, and not of Macedonians in general. This land we live in and enjoy today has been inhabitant continuously for thousands of years before the Europeans began to pillage, colonise and settle.

Respect it's original owners. Regardless of the state of their community today, they are the native and aboriginial people of this territory, as an Australian-born citizen I will always rspect and acknowledge the Australian Aboriginal people as the first and true Australians.

Prolet, you have several double standards that you should clear up in your head before proceeding with posting your theories here.

[Prolet]

SOM, So you also believe that the Aboriginals are 40,000 years old, great this is fantastic you should come to Europe and share that information with them im sure they will believe you.

40,000 years that number is just unbelievable, keep in mind that Jesus Christ has been around for 2000 years and add another 38,000 years before that.

MKD, There are Ethnic Australians the True Blue Aussies are direct dissidents from the UK and Ireland mainly the UK.

No nation,no ethnic minority in Europe,Asia,Africa has stated that they have been around for 40,000 years or even 20,000 years not even the Chinese Emperors claim anything near this. Australia and New Zealand were the last discovered countries/Continent.

SOM, What are these double standards exactly?? Im very curious to know, just because i think its absurd that you claim the Aboriginal History is 40,000 old it makes it a double standard?? Fair Enough believe what you like but keep your accusations to yourself.

I too respect that fact that the Aboriginals were here before the Brits Colonized Australia, but does that mean that if an average citizen in Australia who is not Aboriginal whos been busting their guts trying to get into University and they manage to miss out just because the person next to him or her was an Aboriginal and they get a free passage?? If you believe its fair that all citizens in Australia regardless of their nationality,race,religion,color should be treated equally apart from those who have aboriginal blood in them then fair enough, you believe that.

Keep in mind that from the latest research there are very little if any pure blooded Aboriginals the majority of them are distant relatives of Aboriginals some go into 10th Generation, you cant put them in the same boat as the pure blooded Aboriginals keep that in mind.

[Rogi]

Prolet, replace the word Aboriginals with "Macedonians" and the word "Australians" with "Greeks" in all your above posts, and refer to Aegean Macedonia instead of Australia. Then see how that looks.


As for the 40,000 year old history of the Australian Aboriginals, look it up for God's sake. Look up Australian Aboriginal Rock Art.

There are also many findings in Europe (rock art, etc) dating back to the upper Palaeolithic period (some 40,000 years ago). Look up the Aurignacian culture as but one example. It goes much further back than the Neolithic and "Adam of Govrlevo".


Why must you persist with absurdities without looking up and reading up a little first?

[Risto the Great]

Prolet, I think you have thrown out political correctness with the bath water.
The British colonialists were still wiping out Aborigines in Tasmania in the 1950's. A South African friend (Afrikaaner) told me that the reason why they could not wipe out the blacks in South Africa in nearly the same way was because they had a bible in their armpits and it kept getting in the way whenever they took aim with their rifles. He noted Australia had no such problem.

The indigenous population deserves some kind of special treatment. I have no problem with this. Do you think I will seek legal advice from some disadvantaged person that took advantage of reverse discrimination and received his law degree the easy way? No. Same thing with reverse discrimination for the ethnic Albanians in Macedonia. If they are good, cream rises to the top.

Australia is nowhere near reconciling yet. Take a look at Malaysia where the indigenous populations are given priority in every aspect of life there.

I am not really sure what you are getting at, but I get a simple message, namely "we won, sucked in .... deal with it". Am i far off?

[Risto the Great]

Keep in mind that from the latest research there are very little if any pure blooded Aboriginals the majority of them are distant relatives of Aboriginals some go into 10th Generation, you cant put them in the same boat as the pure blooded Aboriginals keep that in mind.

I met a Macedonian policeman from Bitola who tells me his Grandfather was Serbian. If he plays the "Serb" card in Macedonia he will get priority treatment in the police force as a member of a minority group. He refuses to do this.

In Australia, you can "feel" Aboriginal and almost get away with similar things.

So, as a means of sitting on the fence on this issue, I ask where does the line get drawn for such things.

[Prolet]

Risto, You make some valid points with your statements, Rogi tried to compare us with the Aboriginals but the difference is massive. What human rights do we get in Egejska and Pirinska Makedonija that is ours and is currently occupied by Force?

Keep in mind that the Aboriginals are privileged in Australia, even though around 95% of them are not even full blooded, While our people have next to nothing rights. Yes the Brits were brutal and they hunted them like Animals but we suffered just as much and the difference is that even today our people are harassed and tortured by police members just for being Macedonian in Greece and Bulgaria.

Risto, You cant simply feel Aboriginal you have to be an Aboriginal, Me and you dont "feel" Macedonian we are born Macedonian,Raised Macedonian and taught Macedonian through traditions,culture,language,respect,history this is how our fathers taught us to be and that is who we are, we cannot change who we are. A German Shepard can be born anywhere in the world but it will still be German we are no different.

[Soldier of Macedon]

The indigenous population deserves some kind of special treatment. I have no problem with this.

Exactly my thoughts.

Why must you persist with absurdities without looking up and reading up a little first?

Prolet, answer Rogi's question, it is a valid one.

[Prolet]

SOM, You want me to do research on some Aboriginal rock paintings in which they claim themselves that its 40,000 years old?? To me it means nothing and i will never believe that the Aboriginal History dates back to 40,000 ago just because they say so for themselves.

The lake of Ohrid is over 3 million years old but this is not something thats stated by Macedonian historians it has been stated by UNESCO

http://www.aboriginalartonline.com/art/rock3.php

http://www.upfromaustralia.com/50yearofcavp.html This one says 50,000

[Prolet]

Macedonian PM kicks off visit to Slovakia

Monday, 05 October 2009

Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski will pay on Monday a one-day official visit to Slovakia, upon an invitation by his Slovak counterpart Robert Fico.

PM Gruevski, leading a government delegation comprised of Vice PM Vasko Naumovski and Minister of Interior Affairs Gordana Jankuloska, is also scheduled to meet with Miroslav Číž, Vice-president of the National Council of the Slovak Republic in Bratislava.

Gruevski and Fico will sign agreements on double taxation avoidance and cooperation in tackling crime.

Macedonian businessmen will accompany the state delegation to Bratislava to participate at a Slovak-Macedonian business forum. PM Gruevski will deliver an address at the forum, which represents an opportunity for both countries to advance the overall economic cooperation.

According to the agenda, director of the Agency for Foreign Investments Viktor Mizo prior to the start of the forum will sign a memorandum of cooperation for exchange of experiences and promotion of Macedonia in attracting foreign investments with his Slovak colleague Juraj Kiesel of the Slovak Investment and Trade Development Agency.

Gruevski will wrap up his visit to Slovakia after touring the Technology Park and the old part of Bratislava.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/8464/1/

[Risto the Great]

All good. Stronger ties in Europe will always be beneficial to Macedonia.

[Rogi]

Off le le, Gospod da chuva i da brani.

[Prolet]

Rogi, Prikazni za Mali deca?? Kamenja od 40,000 godini?? Sto znajme nije Aboridzinite imat naj dolga istorija od site.

Ako e taka koj slusnal za nim pred da dojde Kapitanot James Cook da gi najdi?? Kaj se pisvani vo Istorijata ote postoele Aboridzinite kako sto postoele Persiancite,Aztecite,Zulu,Makedoncite,Hunzite,Kala shite,Gjupcite,Keltite,Rimjanite,Chajnezite i taka natamu. Oni sami si pisat za nivnata istorija, ami i nie mozi da pisime oti sne miljon godini stari ali kolku e toa vistina?? Neka dojdi nekoj kaj nas ke mu go pokazime Ohrid ke mu recime ote e 3 miljoni godini star i site ke ne vetrvat... Sto znajme nie nas komunistine ne lazeja Aboridzinite pojke znat od nas.

Ote zborvat za kamenja sto ne pokazvat Skolije staro 40,000 godini?? Sto ne pokazvat nekoj objekt izgraden kako sto se Piramidine na primer??? Kamenja postoele od koga imalo civilzacija, koga imalo Dinasaursi imalo Kamenja toa ne e nikakov dokaz ote oni imat tolku stara istorija, mozi nekoj drug da go lazat a ne mene..

[Soldier of Macedon]

Пролет, вистина чојаче, ногу збораш, ама ниту мислиш ниту го потврдваш тоа шо го кажваш, се брзаш ногу, полека, без докази или берем некаков доказ ништо не вреди.

[Rogi]

Prolet, aman be brat, i taka si na internet, proveri gi dokazite, prochitaj nesto, nauchi nesto. Dosta so tie gluposti, ne si dete, aman be upotrebi barem edna ronka od umot.
Za nekoj raboti navistina imas golem pridones vo razgovorot, no nekogas, kako vo ovoj sluchaj, navistina sam se ponizuvas a i preteruvas, i toa uporno, bez nikakvo znaenje za temata.

Ne se zboruva za "kamenja" i deka kamenjata se 40,000 godini stari.
Zborot mi bese za vakvi raboti, vakvite dokazi:

"The earliest evidence of painting derives from archaeological sites in two rock-shelters in Arnhem Land, in northern Australia. In the lowest layer of material at these sites there are used pieces of ochre estimated to be 60,000 years old. Archaeologists have also found a fragment of rock painting preserved in a limestone rock-shelter in the Kimberley region of North-Western Australia dated at 40 000 years old."





I can't believe you live in Australia and know so little about Australia, its land, its history and the indigenous population.