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If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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I have asked this question before, and I will ask it again because no one can answer it.
What alternative do we have to the current VRMO government?
Its all good sitting here complaining, there is much to complain about... But what else is out there?? nothing, so something must be started?
volk the only thing that gruevski has done wrong is to continue with the name negotiations.Makedonija vo Srce
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Volk, are you saying VMRO is the lesser of 2 evils?
We all know SDMS is the most treasonist government, but VMRO continue to negotiate our identity. As a Macedonian, I find that abhorrent"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Originally posted by julie View PostVolk, are you saying VMRO is the lesser of 2 evils?
We all know SDMS is the most treasonist government, but VMRO continue to negotiate our identity. As a Macedonian, I find that abhorrent
The real problem in Macedonia is that our nation is so passive, its pathetic. If it was the peoples will, the government would be forced to abandom 'name negotiations'. Some people actually think that grease would agree to something that will preserve us as Macedonians... idiotsMakedonija vo Srce
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I find gruevski more of a liar,eventually a traitor to the cause.He lied back in 2006 that the diaspora would get the vote.well that was a lie.NOw he is going to capitulate on our name.I have allready emailed him about the name negotiations he still hasn't replied i don't think he will."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
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DA It's one thing to be forced by outside elements beyond your control & another to be compromising & capitulating When all alarm bells are sounding do not partake of the negotiations as they will be detrimental to your identity.It's all far too crazy they are just capitulating in greece's hands."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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but i think the more disturbing fact is that macedonians still want to be part of the EU
Until people realise that its up to the Macedonian people to build a functioning, successful country we will be forever stuck in the hole we are currently in.Makedonija vo Srce
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Originally posted by Volk View Postherein lies the real problem and what is keeping Macedonia in the 'name negotiations' because abandoning them would mean turning our back on the EU, something most people are not prepared to do, because they still see it as some savior.
Until people realise that its up to the Macedonian people to build a functioning, successful country we will be forever stuck in the hole we are currently in.
Secondly, what are the message signals emanating from the "Orange" (Portokalovi) political colours of DPMNE? Does anyone remember some recent "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine? Does it convey a message of political subservience to a certain world power???Last edited by indigen; 02-11-2011, 11:53 PM.
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It's a funny title this thread has, a play on words in fact.
Gruevski may be the most "trustworthy" politician, but those same statistics show that he is not very trusted at all. Less than a quarter of the population trusts him, that is very low by any measure.
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Originally posted by Rogi View PostGruevski may be the most "trustworthy" politician, but those same statistics show that he is not very trusted at all. Less than a quarter of the population trusts him, that is very low by any measure.
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By ANY measure.
Trivialising or attempting to suggest the figures are better than they are by making them relative to something as abstract as 'Macedonain measurement', fits squarely within that well known quote, commonly attributed to Mark Twain, "Figure's don't lie, liars figure".Last edited by Rogi; 05-20-2012, 10:34 AM.
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Originally posted by Rogi View PostBy ANY measure.
Trivialising or attempting to suggest the figures are better than they are by making them relative to something as abstract as 'Macedonain measurement', fits squarely within that well known quote, commonly attributed to Mark Twain, "Figure's don't like, liars figure".
I think you meant "figures don’t lie liars figure"…anyway I loved maths until I got to statistics and how they can be used to support any meaning you want so I prefer "After all, facts are facts, there’s three kinds of lies…Lies - damn lies - and statistics,".
All I was saying was a statement like most trustworthy could still be true even with low figures if everyone else in the past had less…hence Macedonian measurements.Last edited by fyrOM; 02-13-2011, 11:37 AM.
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Originally posted by OziMak View PostThere are many things in Macedonia that would not measure up to Australia or other places…hence you’ll hear people say for our standards ie Macedonian measurements.
I think you meant "figures don’t lie liars figure"…anyway I loved maths until I got to statistics and how they can be used to support any meaning you want so I prefer "After all, facts are facts, there’s three kinds of lies…Lies - damn lies - and statistics,".
All I was saying was a statement like most trustworthy could still be true even with low figures if everyone else in the past had less…hence Macedonian measurements.If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams
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