Greek money for ethnic cleansing

[Bratot]

Ethnic cleansing, according to the recently signed Stockholm Accords on Ethnic Cleansing (see the Accords as an appendix hereto), is "the systematic annihilation or forced removal of the members of an ethnic, racial or religious group from a community or communities in order to change the ethnic, racial or religious composition of a given region."

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July 26, 2010

President of the Greek part of Cyprus Dimitris Christofias has suggested the President of the Turkish part of Cyprus, Dervis Eroglu, to give money for the part of the Turkish settlers to leave the island.

According the proposal, the specially formed committee would secure about everyone to be fairly compensated, all compensated to really move, but on their place to settle Greeks.

The scheme operates with some 50 thousand Turks would be moved, and about 100 thousand Greeks who would be settled instead of the Turks. If we brought upon, the ethnic composition of the island would be changed in favor of the Greek majority, which currently constitutes 77% of the total population of million.

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=DA7FDCA40C95FD4B93326E2C9DA9F2E6

[Risto the Great]

The "suggestion" will send Cypriot/Turk relations back to the dark ages.

[johnMKD]

This sounds the most ridiculous and unrealistic suggestion even for the Cypriots. Is there another source(s) that validate(s) this?

[Bratot]

Is there another source(s) that validate(s) this?

The Macedonian article has been made on the originally published at www.milliyet.com.tr but I wan't able to locate it.

[johnMKD]

The Macedonian article has been made on the originally published at www.milliyet.com.tr but I wan't able to locate it.

That's Ok. I guess only Onur could help with finding this article from milliyet's website.

[thessalo-niki]

Ethnic cleansing, according to the recently signed Stockholm Accords on Ethnic Cleansing (see the Accords as an appendix hereto), is "the systematic annihilation or forced removal of the members of an ethnic, racial or religious group from a community or communities in order to change the ethnic, racial or religious composition of a given region."

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July 26, 2010

President of the Greek part of Cyprus Dimitris Christofias has suggested the President of the Turkish part of Cyprus, Dervis Eroglu, to give money for the part of the Turkish settlers to leave the island.

According the proposal, the specially formed committee would secure about everyone to be fairly compensated, all compensated to really move, but on their place to settle Greeks.

The scheme operates with some 50 thousand Turks would be moved, and about 100 thousand Greeks who would be settled instead of the Turks. If we brought upon, the ethnic composition of the island would be changed in favor of the Greek majority, which currently constitutes 77% of the total population of million.

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/default.a...326E2C9DA9F2E6

Bratot, are you sure you understand what you're saying here?
Can you remind me which is the side that (a) invaded, (b) committed ethnic cleansing and (c) brought settlers?

Turkish settlers

As a result of the Turkish invasion, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, stated that the demographic structure of the island has been continuously modified as a result of the deliberate policies of the Turks. Despite the lack of consensus on the exact figures, all parties concerned admit that Turkish nationals have been systematically arriving in the northern part of the island. Some suggest, that over 120,000 settlers were brought into Cyprus from mainland Turkey. This was despite Article 49 of the Geneva Convention stating that "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

UN Resolution 1987/19 (1987) of the "Sub-Commission On Prevention Of Discrimination And Protection Of Minorities" which was adopted on 2 September 1987 demanded "the full restoration of all human rights to the whole population of Cyprus, including the freedom of movement, the freedom of settlement and the right to property" and also expressed "its concern also at the policy and practice of the implantation of settlers in the occupied territories of Cyprus which constitute a form of colonialism and attempt to change illegally the demographic structure of Cyprus".

In a report prepared by Mete Hatay on behalf of PRIO, the Oslo peace center, it was estimated that the number of Turkish mainlanders in the north who have been granted the right to vote is 37,000. This figure however excludes mainlanders who are married to Turkish Cypriots or adult children of Mainland Settlers as well as all minors. The report also estimates the number of Turkish mainlanders who have not been granted the right to vote, whom it labels as "transients", at a further 105,000.

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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[Bratot]

Bratot, are you sure you understand what you're saying here?
Can you remind me which is the side that (a) invaded, (b) committed ethnic cleansing and (c) brought settlers?
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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

Ochh did I wake you up?

What would you say if we pay the Aegean setllers that came in 1922/23 from Minor Assia to Macedonia and replace them with our Macedonian diaspora that fled their homes as a result of the ethnic cleansing after the Balkan Wars?

The proposal of Christofias is classic ethnic cleansing but if you are approving such solving I'm glad we could implement the same in Macedonia.

Greece and Turkey Exchange Two Million of their People!

The core of the refugee population settled in Attica and Macedonia. The official refugee population per region in 1928 was as follows (number of refugees and percent of the refugee population):

Macedonia: 638,253 52.2% (with 270,000 in Thessaloniki alone)

306193 25.1% Greece West. Thraki 107607 8.8% Eastern Islands. Aegean Thessaly 56613 4.6% 34659 2.8% 33900 2.8% Crete Peloponnisos Epirus 28362 2.3% 8179 0.7% 4782 0.4% Cyclades islands Ionian 3301 0.3%
Total 1.221.849 100%

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ight=migration

[Onur]

Greek and Turkish Cypriot leaders are doing peace negotiations under the observations of UN for few months now. According to the agreement between both sides, neither of them could speak to the press about the details of the negotiations but some of the details has been leaked by the Greek Cypriots to the Greek media.

This money proposal issue was all over the Greek Cypriot press few weeks ago. As soon as these news reached to the Turkey, everyone responded with furious comments. According to the Greek Cypriot media, Christofias said that he can only accept a federation with maximum 50.000 Turkish population and he offered to pay money to over 200.000 Turks to leave Cyprus. It looks like there hasn't been any proper peace negotiation for months because it appears that Christofias is also offering to lift their veto on Turkey`s EU membership negotiation chapters if we agree to give them some territories in northern side of the island.

When we heard that, most of the politicians and journalists in Turkey roared like "This is humiliation. End the so-called peace negotiations and cut the EU-Turkey relations as well to take away this veto card from Christofias`s hand"


I think there is no proper Greek and Cypriot media in English on the internet but i can post the news about it if i can find on Greek source.

Witty Christofias
Tuesday, July 6, 2010

It appears that the limits of bargaining skills of Greek Cypriot leader Demetris Christofias were as much underestimated as his trustworthiness was exaggerated during the Annan Plan period.

“I am disappointed… I was fooled,” said then European Union’s Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verhaugen as well as many other clever European politicians seeing that over 75 percent of Greek Cypriots voted to kill the UN peace plan, or the Annan Plan. Whereas, they were sure of the pro-settlement commitment of the Greek Cypriot people and were so confident of the strong political will of Christofias – the most important political force behind the then Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos. A Greek Cypriot “Yes” vote in the referendum was certain, while the Turkish Cypriots needed to be convinced to support “settlement now, EU accession tomorrow.” In any case, the EU membership aspirations of the pro-settlement Greek Cypriot people should not be allowed to be held hostage to the intransigence of the Turkish Cypriot side and “with or without a settlement the island must be admitted into the EU.”

Verhaugen and other European bureaucrats and politicians were “fooled” at the time by many Greek Cypriots, particularly by Christofias. Up until a week before the April 24, 2004 vote on the Annan Plan Christofias was supportive of the compromise deal, but all of a sudden he came up with “In order to deliver a strong yes a while later, we have decided to say no.” Such a grandiose U-turn by witty Christofias made many people feel “we were fooled.” That the “a while later” Christofias referred to never came and the Annan Plan since then has been considered by the Greek Cypriot side as “dead and buried” but somehow still alive with the limits it provided to the Turkish Cypriot demands.

Christofias is now proposing Eroğlu that Turkish Cypriots should agree to hand over sufficient territory to resettle 100,000 of the total 165,000 Greek Cypriots who migrated from north to south in 1974. That is not only Güzelyurt or Morphou and some areas in the Famagusta area, but also almost the entire Karpas Peninsula, the former Nicosia International Airport region including the Trikomo village as well as tens of villages along the border from east to west is demanded to be given to Greek Cypriots. Plus, tens of thousands of Greek Cypriots should be allowed to return and live in the remaining Turkish Cypriot areas. More? Northern Cyprus has a population of around 265,000. Of these 265,000 citizens, around 100,000 are mainland settlers. Christofias is now saying that he would accept a maximum of 50,000 of those settlers and for the rest he is prepared to “pay and send back to Turkey.”

How can Christofias see the right in himself to ask Turkish Cypriots to go further in such painful areas despite the fact that even the Annan Plan ceilings were too high to accept but just for the sake of a settlement Turkish Cypriots felt obliged to accept to demonstrate their pro-settlement resolve. With such odd demands, of course, these talks cannot go anywhere but to failure.


Indecent offer
During a recent encounter in Brussels with Turkish minister in charge of EU affairs, Egemen Bağış Christofias disclosed that he made an important and generous offer to Turkey. According to the offer if Turkey agreed to return the Varosha suburb of Famagusta to the Greek Cypriot side his administration would agree to opening of accession talks in some of the chapters his government has been holding hostage. Christofias is of course a very clever salesman. He would not sell everything in one go. He would not lift the Greek Cypriot veto on the entire set of chapters it has been holding hostage. He has stressed that “The Cyprus issue will always be a handicap in Turkey’s EU process” as long as the Cyprus problem was not resolved. According to Christofias Turkey will take a step and Christofias will lift the veto on one or more chapter. In a while Turkey will do something else and Christofias will generously lift some other sanctions.

Give and take is the essence of diplomacy, but poor Christofias is so witty that he is unaware of the fact that Turkey can neither compromise from Cyprus, nor from its EU bid and many wise persons in Turkey and in Europe are aware that it is in the best interest of both Turkey and the EU not to force Ankara to make a choice between the Cyprus issue and Turkey’s EU membership.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=witty-christofias-2010-07-06

Btw this wasn't the first time they offered such an humiliating offer. Currently there are around 160.000 Turkish people living in Australia and most of these people are Turkish Cypriots who migrated there between 1960...1974. Greek Cypriots forced these people live in the ghettos and suburbs in the island. They prevented Turkish children to study along with Greek kids, killed some of them, beaten them and vandalized their properties and then fascist Greece government offered money to them if they migrate to Australia or England. Thats how these people left the island. It`s also same for the Turks in England. Most of them are Turkish Cypriots too. Offering money to the Turks in the island was the first move of their ENOSIS plan at 1970s but they didn't satisfy with the results and thats why they started massacres and the coup d`etat afterward.

[Onur]

Deputy PM: "If pressed, Turkey will choose Cyprus over the EU"

Turkey yesterday repeated a call for a solution to Cyprus' division by year's-end, warning that it may give up on its bid to join the European Union if it is pressed to make a choice between its membership aspirations and agreeing to concessions on Cyprus.

"If the big powers pressure us to choose between the EU and Cyprus, our choice will always be Cyprus," Deputy Prime Minister Cemil Cicek said in a speech marking the 36th anniversary of Turkey's Peace Operation on Cyprus to stop Greek Cypriot attacks on the island's Turkish population. The attacks were part of a campaign to unite the island with Greece. "We have always wanted a just solution and we will continue to do so. For those who present the Cyprus issue as a precondition for our EU membership, for those who say we must choose between the two, let me say that Turkey's choice will always be Cyprus," Cicek said.

Turkish and Greek Cypriot leaders have been holding talks on reunification of the island since fall 2008, but with limited progress so far. Ankara and the Turkish Cypriot government have repeatedly said that 2011 is a deadline for a settlement, warning that the talks can't go on indefinitely. The Greek Cypriots, on the other hand, resist calls for a deadline in negotiations. "We seek a solution by the end of 2010. However, if this can't be achieved, everyone will go their separate ways," Cicek said. "I call upon the EU and those who back the Greek Cypriot side to review their approach and consider what will happen if there is no solution by the end of the year," he continued. "A solution is not impossible. ... If a solution is to be found, it must be based on the reality that there are two equal peoples and two equal states on Cyprus."

http://www.dunya.com/cicek-if-presse...047_haber.html

This was the response of the Turkish government. According to some journalists, after the end of this year, if there wont be any settlement between Greeks and the Turks in the island, Turkey will either force EU and USA to recognize Turkish republic of northern Cyprus otherwise Turkish Cypriot government will do a referendum in the island for the unification with mainland Turkey and then Turkey will annex the northern part of the island.

Most of the people in the Cyprus and Turkey seriously considering this option and i also support this because it`s obvious that there wont be any peace settlement in Cyprus.

I hope we gonna annex it and there wont be any issue called Cyprus on our table anymore.

Let the Greeks and EU bark forever. I wonder wtf they can do to us. Big "NOTHING"...

[Onur]

Bratot, are you sure you understand what you're saying here?
Can you remind me which is the side that (a) invaded, (b) committed ethnic cleansing and (c) brought settlers?


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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

Easy to answer;


a) Greece invaded Cyprus first, with their ~30.000 fascist soldiers. Greek tanks destroyed the parliament building of united Cyprus and also attempted to assassinate Greek PM named Makarios. Along with 1000s of Turks, they also killed around ~3000 Greek Cypriots who resisted the coup d`etat in 5 days. Fascist government of Greece announced that these ~3000 Greek Cypriot casualties were the betrayers of the Hellenism/ENOSIS and filthy communists(according to them). Very first Turkish soldiers arrived to the island 7 days after the Greek invasion and coup d`etat,.

b) EOKA terrorists committed the ethnic cleansing. Turkish people in the island was only %25 of total population. They had no weapons nor army. Turkish Cypriots represented with equal rights at pre-1974 united Cyprus but PM was Greek and Greeks was controlling most of the island.

c) No one brought anyone. After 1974, about 100.000 people from Turkey gone to island to work or study. About 30.000 of them applied to the Turkish Cypriot citizenship. Rest of 70.000 only have a right to live there.

BUT neither Greeks nor EU can force these people go out from the island. You did this one time only at 1923 but you can never do it again because 2010`s Turkey is different than the one in 1923. Things have changed. I hope EU refuses to recognize Turkish Cyprus state at next year and then Turkey annexes the island. Only then the Cyprus problem will be solved forever.

[Prolet]

Onur, I think Turkey and Serbia have alot in common, this to me is not even a negotiation this is pure blackmail and nothing more. Im not sure how anybody from the Turkish side can agree to it, its a joke really. There is only one way out of all this and that is a joint Greek and Turkish Government i dont see any other way. If they talk about either side giving up territories its not going to do any good for either side.

I think the Turks must be the only ones who understand what its really like negotiating with Greece, its worse then talking to a brick wall the things they ask for and their blackmailing tactics i dont know how they even call it negotiating. Their side is not prepared to offer anything really yet the EU continues to force us to keep negotiating.

[Makedonetz]

Onur glad to see you guys are holding to your guns in the matter as the greeks in Cyprus are doing what they know best in lying and bribery. It appears the issues in Cyprus are going to get worst before it gets better eh Onur? Greece is drawing at straws and who knows what they will do next or have planned, im not surprised if these idiots dont send in more of them EOK Juntas But im sure Turkey is ready for such debauchery they might try on you guys

[Onur]

Onur, I think Turkey and Serbia have alot in common, this to me is not even a negotiation this is pure blackmail and nothing more. Im not sure how anybody from the Turkish side can agree to it, its a joke really. There is only one way out of all this and that is a joint Greek and Turkish Government i dont see any other way. If they talk about either side giving up territories its not going to do any good for either side.

I think the Turks must be the only ones who understand what its really like negotiating with Greece, its worse then talking to a brick wall the things they ask for and their blackmailing tactics i dont know how they even call it negotiating. Their side is not prepared to offer anything really yet the EU continues to force us to keep negotiating.

Yes Prolet. No one can call this as a negotiation and it`s been like that for 20 years. Actually it was obvious that they would only blackmail us about EU membership issue but we sat down with them to negotiate nevertheless because if we don't, they bark about Turkey like we try to escape from having an agreement.

I am sure it`s same with the negotiation of Greece and ROM about Macedonia`s name. It`s not possible to have an agreement with them as long as they have the support of big powers.

Also, between 1959 to 1974, there was an united Cyprus republic with equal rights and thats why Greek fascists destroyed it because they never like to see any Turk in the island. According to them, Cyprus is a Greek only island and non-Greek elements cannot live in it. Even the cats&dogs should be Hellenic. No one can know Greek policies better than Macedonians and Turks. To be able to destroy united Cyprus, they tried to do exact same thing they did in Crete at 1890s. In Crete, they killed about 15.000+ muslim Greeks and Turks in a week and then soldiers from Greece invaded the island.

Onur glad to see you guys are holding to your guns in the matter as the greeks in Cyprus are doing what they know best in lying and bribery. It appears the issues in Cyprus are going to get worst before it gets better eh Onur? Greece is drawing at straws and who knows what they will do next or have planned, im not surprised if these idiots dont send in more of them EOK Juntas But im sure Turkey is ready for such debauchery they might try on you guys

We don't even need to hold up our guns. Do you really think they can do anything besides crying on the shoulder of Merkel and Sarkozy? Also it was our fault to wait this long but they managed to pat us with the EU fallacy for decades. I am sure that as soon as the Turkish Cypriots declares their wish to be part of the mainland Turkey, EU officials gonna persuade Greece to recognize Turkish Cypriot state.

Greek fascists can bark for some time and they can add new lyrics for their chants at the Greek independence day if they want to. It`s fine for us

[Gor@n]

Mates this sounds alot like what happened in our beloved country in the yugo days. We kicked out those albanians and we settled in our rightful land!

It worked quite well for us!

[fyrOM]

Bravo to the Turks for holding strong. It is an enviable position to know Greece is nothing more than a fly buzzing around you. Where’s the fly spray when you need it.