Voden and Kavadarci together to European funds

[Prolet]

Good to see both cities working together

Tuesday, 21 September 2010

Kadavarci and Voden will together compete for the money from the European funds with their tourist and gastronomic projects. This was decided at a joint meeting of teams from the both districts, which was held in Voden, Aegean Macedonia. This is a continuation of mutual projects within the framework of the IPA fund plan for border cooperation 2007-2013.

"International relations do not have to prevent our mutual performance. As local units we have many projects that bring us closer and thus, we need to stimulate mutual development and future interests.

Both parties have to develop their relations in culture and economy, which would be primary goals with which money would be withdrawn from IPA funds," said Janis Sontras, head of Voden.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16516/1/

[Coolski]

Is Janis Sontras a Makedonec?

[vodenka]

Is Janis Sontras a Makedonec?

Yes, he is. I hope the program will be succesful and not just a "firework" for local elections in Voden, to get the Macedonians to vote PASOK, once again! Sondras is the candidate whom PASOK party is supporting and we know what Pasok politics are about Macedonians.....

[Prolet]

Spolaj Ti Vodenka

Pasok is worse then Nea Democratia, even Nikola Gruevski is openly stating this.

What more can you tell us about Janis Sontras?

[vodenka]

Spolaj Ti Vodenka

Pasok is worse then Nea Democratia, even Nikola Gruevski is openly stating this.

What more can you tell us about Janis Sontras?

Like many other Macedonians who whish to have a political career in Greece, he is first of all a party member and after a Macedonian. But if to declare Macedonian endangers their political career, they just forget about being Macedonians, all together! By voting for these people, we Macedonians actually are helping Greece in its anti-macedonian politics.
But it would be unfair to say that from their position all of them did not help our cause, not even a little bit. They have helped, in some level, but it is very little compared of what they could have done from their position and with our people support.

[Prolet]

Vodenka, I think you mentioned once that the Turkish people vote for their own people in Greek Political parties, there are Turkish candidates in Pasok and Nea Democratia if its good for them why isnt it good for our people? The best thing for our people would be for us to vote for Macedonian Political Parties like Vinozhito.

[vodenka]

Vodenka, I think you mentioned once that the Turkish people vote for their own people in Greek Political parties, there are Turkish candidates in Pasok and Nea Democratia if its good for them why isnt it good for our people? The best thing for our people would be for us to vote for Macedonian Political Parties like Vinozhito.

Turkish minority had their minority party, founded by Sadik, who died in a car accident several years ago, and they managed to elect representatives in the greek parliament. When the electoral law was changed, making it impossible for minorities to elect representatives, the Turks pressured the greek parties to have Turkish candidates in their lists. In the beggining, the candidates were kind of "mild" but now they have very tough politicians elected who declare ethnic Turks inside the greek parliament. Unfortunatelly, Vinozhito leadership thinks that is more important to make the .... "lions" outside the greek territory (places like Brussels, for example) and it never made a real political action inside Greece (the presentation of books is a joke of political activism). Vinozhito should have followed the example of the Turkish minority and even collaborate with them, but if you listen to the party leadership they will find hundred of reasons to tell you why this is not done. But they did not explain yet how come it never runs in greek parliamentary elections, so we really do not know how many people would have voted for Vinozhito.

[johnMKD]

Like many other Macedonians who whish to have a political career in Greece, he is first of all a party member and after a Macedonian. But if to declare Macedonian endangers their political career, they just forget about being Macedonians, all together! By voting for these people, we Macedonians actually are helping Greece in its anti-macedonian politics.
But it would be unfair to say that from their position all of them did not help our cause, not even a little bit. They have helped, in some level, but it is very little compared of what they could have done from their position and with our people support.

I guess you are right when you say that they do not help the Macedonians. But, what could a Macedonian that lives in Edessa do? I would vote for Sontras, just because he is Macedonian. As far as I recall, he was the one responsible for bringing back in the city (make them legal) old Macedonian customs that take place for example after carnival etc.

[vodenka]

I guess you are right when you say that they do not help the Macedonians. But, what could a Macedonian that lives in Edessa do? I would vote for Sontras, just because he is Macedonian. As far as I recall, he was the one responsible for bringing back in the city (make them legal) old Macedonian customs that take place for example after carnival etc.

It was not because of him but because some of his voters made him do that! He never took a personal initiative in helping the macedonian cause. He is a good guy, but real wick.

[johnMKD]

It was not because of him but because some of his voters made him do that! He never took a personal initiative in helping the macedonian cause. He is a good guy, but real wick.

Indeed, but if he hadn't been Macedonian, do you think that he would have done it as well? I don't think so. He would just say "get lost" to those who were trying to resurrect any Macedonian custom. This is my logic; he is Macedonian and therefore better than the others for that city, in any case.

[drle]

My question is this. Why isn't there a political party formed in Greece that represents the Macedonian & Turkish minorities as a union. For example vinozhito in this case support the large Turkish minority in areas such as Komotini? Vodenska what's your opinion on that? I'm pretty sure the Turks poll quite alot during the elections?

[Prolet]

Drle, Where have you been all this time?

I agree if there are areas in Greece where the Turkish Minority dominates our candidates should support them.

[drle]

Drle, Where have you been all this time?

I agree if there are areas in Greece where the Turkish Minority dominates our candidates should support them.

I can give you a vasko gligorevic story and tell you I was a political prisoner by the local Greek faction of the labor party lol. Nah I've been an observor all this time and haven't given my input.

Well look the way I see it is that here we have a ton of minorities who voice their opinion and get their way. Only last week we had the Chinese nationals who asked to be given asylum by sitting on the Villawood detention centre roof. I'm just saying the more people voice their opinion the better and here we have a political party like vinozhito who are not afraid to voice their opinion and neither are the Turks to do so then we don't need the Macedonian minority in Greece to speak up because it's being done on their behalf!!!

[Soldier of Macedon]

This is a good initiative and pleasing to see two Macedonian groups separated by artificial borders working together.

John/Vodenka, would Sondra know how to speak Macedonian?

[vodenka]

This is a good initiative and pleasing to see two Macedonian groups separated by artificial borders working together.

John/Vodenka, would Sondra know how to speak Macedonian?

This is an excellent initiative by EU with the financing of border cooperation programs. They are encouraging in this way the good ralations among bordering countries with EU member states. But greece has very limited initiatives taken for this porpuse as it prefers to keep a negative position toward all its neighbouring countries for its own internal reasons and interest. Proof of this I am stating, is that no anouncement has been made in any of the local Voden newspapers about the agreement between Voden and Kavadarci.
I do not know Sondras personally (though I voted for him several times)
but from information I have, he speaks macedonian language.