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[fyrOM]

SDSM abusing Mental Patients in their TV Campaign

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/16580/45/

Monday, 04 October 2010

"My kids can not go to school, should I ask for someone to kill me or should I commit suicide on national TV? I am already on National TV” is the worrying statement by Strumica resident Verka Grudeva after being used without her knowledge in an SDSM TV propaganda campaign titled “It has never been worse”.

To make things much worse and outright criminal, Verka Grudeva was paraded on TV, mocked for her mental condition while text was displayed that ‘this is what the current Government does to people’.

Mrs. Grudeva, an SDSM sympathizer had asked the local Strumica office run by SDSM vice president Zoran Zaev for help, but instead was secretly taped and paraded in a TV ad?!? If this is what the SDSM does with their sympathizers... what happens to the rest?

“I went to ask for help, and instead was abused for SDSM’s political agenda. I only asked for help” says Verka Grudeva.
Furious reactions came from numerous NGO’s across Macedonia asking the SDSM leadership to remove their ludicrous TV campaign instantly.

“This is not a TV campaign. I have never seen anything as discriminating against people with special needs. These people are abused by the SDSM by being shown on TV without their knowledge to achieve their propaganda goal. The message in the ad “It has never been worse” is outrageously false because the current Government has done tremendous things precisely for the people with special needs” says Zvonko Savreski of Polio Plus.

The SDSM is currently being sued by two journalists for being portrayed in other TV ads also without their permission. Both journalists have publicly stated they are suing the opposition party for 1 million euros each for breaking the ‘authors rights’ law.

Despite the public outcry, the largest opposition party is still running the ad with Verka Grudeva. A1 TV is currently the only station transmitting these ads.
The SDSM's Leadership may need several more decades until they fully evolve into humans. Once they become humans, they would be able to know where to draw the line in their desire to climb back to power.

[fyrOM]

Sikter da go nema so tula poglava…



Faced with bad personal standing of the leader, SDSM TOWARD A NEW STRATEGY FOR UPRISING

Branko will announce withdrawal

And international factors in Macedonia noted that as leader Crvenkovski is the reason why the opposition in the country is nedejstvena, inefficient and blocked

They believe that the lack of opposition may be corrective and gives absolute power of the ruling coalition, and it is not good for democracy


SDSM leader requires intensive candidate for prime minister, and announced the possibility to withdraw from the party office after the last polls, believing that it can make evident Oppositional cheering citizens to vote for the SDSM, and to beat the prime minister and leader VMRO-DPMNE Nikola Gruevski, we learn from party sources.
It became clear after the confusing and illogical results from recent surveys of the newspaper "Dnevnik" and "Erie, where citizens say they now live worse than before and that the government of Nikola Gruevski to lead the country in the wrong direction. But at the same time, ratings Crvenkovski not move due to the famous nine percent, while the SDSM ratings increased as much as five percent, while the rating of the Minister, despite criticism from a steady 22 percent.
Crvenkovski withdrawal would be part of a new strategy to overthrow the government of Nikola Gruevski. Crvenkovski in the last 16 years several times najavuval he would step down from leadership in SDSM, but never resigned.
"The fact is that after the arrival of the leader Crvenkovski of the SDSM, the party was reorganized and reformed. The party bodies entered young people without mortgages of the past. It overcame the divisions of buchkovisti, brankovisti. Now function as one with the common goal of fatal delegitimiranje policy the leader of VMRO-DPMNE and Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski, "say sources from the SDSM.
But recent research has shown that what united the party, has boosted its ratings. The fact that the ratings remains zabetoniran Crvenkovski to 9 percent, forced him to think and eventually withdraw, and all this in order to lift the ratings of the opposition to win Gruevski.
For quite some time and the international factor in Macedonia Crvenkovski noted that as the leader of the main opposition party is the reason why the opposition in the country is nedejstvena, inefficient and blocked. They believe that the lack of opposition may be corrective and $ gives absolute power of the ruling coalition, and it is not good for democracy.
SDSM strategy starts from Prilep on October 11 with a series of 12 rallies in major cities. Crvenkovski invites people that "it is time for rebellion against the disastrous policies of VMRO-DPMNE led by Nikola Gruevski.
Party sources say could happen in one of the rallies, Crvenkovski said it would not be a future prime minister and that requires a man of business or politics. But another source says it would hardly have happened at rallies, because after the NATO summit on October 20, SDSM will hold an annual conference where Crvenkovski has the chance to officially tell the fellow that wants to be prime minister.
G. Trpenoski

Shadow government has only praises PM


The skeleton of a shadow government in the SDSM has already been made, but boasted only the name of the new prime minister, we learn from the SDSM. Logically it was, say the SDSM skeleton of the new government to be Vice Zoran Jovanovski, Zoran Zaev Gordan Georgiev and Professor Anne Daneva. Unknowns was only the name of the prime minister.
Crvenkovski intensively seeking man for prime minister and the dilemma was whether to be a businessman or politician. Over whether to put a businessman, had a dilemma because it has proved a bad move, citing the example of Hari Kostov, who is a successful businessman, but after six months he stepped down. A politician's game in the party were Vice Zaev Zoran, Zoran Jovanovski and president of the City of Skopje SDSM Stevco Jakimovski.

[Onur]

Sikter da go nema so tula poglava…

Sorry for hijacking the thread but is this means "fck off"??? LOL, if it does then our curse words are same too

[Prolet]

Onur, Sikter means more like get out of here, it could be interpreted as fuck off but initially its not a swear word.

Onur, Do you have Adzamija too?? Usul??

[Rogi]

Prolet, I'm fairly sure that Onur would know these words, given that they are Turkish words, which the Macedonians have adopted.

[Prolet]

Indeed Rogi

Why do you think i mention these words? Keep in mind that we use alot of Ottoman Turkish words which not all Turks can understand.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Really, like what?

[Onur]

Indeed Rogi

Why do you think i mention these words? Keep in mind that we use alot of Ottoman Turkish words which not all Turks can understand.

Prolet, i can understand all Turkish words you use. What you call as Ottoman Turkish is basically Turkish with a lot of Arabic and Persian words and it was present only in literature, on some newspapers and government papers in that era but ordinary Turkish people in Ottoman era was speaking quite same Turkish as we speak today. Everyone was learning today`s Turkish as a mothertongue but when they have gone to the school, the education was with Ottoman Turkish in Persian/Arabic script and this kind of Turkish wasn't used at all in common speech in daily life. In 1928, this duality has been ended by removing that Ottoman Turkish spoken by government and elites mostly in written language. Latin script has been adopted, most of Arabic/Persian words has been removed and replaced by formerly abandoned Turkish words. For example, Ataturk even invited some Hungarian, Uyghur, Azerbaijani scholars to help us for identifying the forgotten Turkish words cuz they were experts in Turkish used in 11th century and earlier times(pre-islam era).


You adopted these words from ordinary people who lived in Macedonia, so i can understand all of these words used in common speech since Ottoman Turkish mostly present only in written language.

[Prolet]

Onur, I dont know the Turkish Language but in Stari Kraj i have friends who are Turkish, i even know the third Turkish Family in Skopje with proven documentation of ancestry and they tell me that there is a difference between Ottoman Turk and the Modern Turkish Language.

[julie]

Prolet, hey batko, am sure Onur would be more of an expert on the Turkish language than you or I would.

[Prolet]

Julie, Absolutely even he admitted that some words are different but you see the Turks in Macedonia have lived in our country for over 600 years so this is the language that they speak. Im sure they dont have alot of trouble getting by when they visit Turkey lol

[Soldier of Macedon]

So again, you've thrown out a pathetically wild statement that you are unable to corroborate, maybe you were maltretiran u vikendica at the time you dribbled out your latest rant.

[Onur]

Onur, I dont know the Turkish Language but in Stari Kraj i have friends who are Turkish, i even know the third Turkish Family in Skopje with proven documentation of ancestry and they tell me that there is a difference between Ottoman Turk and the Modern Turkish Language.

Yes there was a difference but like i wrote in my previous message, Ottoman Turkish was only used in literature and administration(mostly written language) but common language of Turkish people was quite same as today`s Turkish language and everyone was learning that one as their mothertongue. Ottoman Turkish was something you learn when you go the schools at Ottoman era and people was only using it on formal papers, administration and literature.

I found some book quotes to confirm it for you, since you ask more questions ;

Ottoman Turkish language or Ottoman language is the variety of the Turkish language that was used as the administrative and literary language of the Ottoman Empire. It contains extensive borrowings from Arabic and Persian languages and was written in a variant of the Arabic script. As a result of this process, Ottoman Turkish was largely unintelligible to the less-educated lower and also rural members of society, who continued to use kaba Türkçe or "rough Turkish", which was much purer and which is the basis of the modern Turkish language.

Glenny, Misha. "The Balkans - Nationalism, War, and the Great Powers, 1804-1999", Penguin, New York 2001. p. 99.

"The Turkish Language Reform: A Catastrophic Success", by Geoffrey Lewis, p.8

I also found good explanation on wikipedia;

Historically, Ottoman Turkish was transformed in three eras:

* Eski Osmanlı Türkçesi (Old Ottoman Turkish): The version of Ottoman Turkish used until 16th century. It was almost identical with the Turkish used by Seljuks and Anatolian beyliks, thus often regarded as part of Eski Anadolu Türkçesi (Ancient Anatolian Turkish).

* Orta Osmanlı Türkçesi (Middle Ottoman Turkish) or Klasik Osmanlıca (Classical Ottoman Turkish): Language of poetry and administration from 16th century until Tanzimat. This is the version of Ottoman Turkish that comes to most people's minds.

* Yeni Osmanlı Türkçesi (New Ottoman Turkish): Shaped from 1850s to 20th century under influence of journalism and Western-oriented literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_language

Old Ottoman Turkish was written with Persian script and it contained about %20 Persian, %80 Turkish words. It`s quite understandable for today`s Turkish speakers.

Middle Ottoman Turkish was written with Persian/Arabic script with 4-5 extra letters for special Turkish sounds and it contained about %45 Persian/Arabic, %55 Turkish words. This is quite difficult to understand for regular Turkish speakers today.

New Ottoman Turkish was using same script as middle Ottoman Turkish and it contained %45 Persian/Arabic, %10 French and %45 Turkish words. This is very difficult to understand because of French words replaced some Turkish words and that language was some kind of mess.


BUT all these mess was into written language of literature and administration and everyone was using today`s Turkish in daily speech and conversation. So, Ottoman Turkish was something like Latin language for medieval Europeans. I am glad that we got rid of Ottoman Turkish and it`s stupid Arabian script. That was definitely the best reform of republic.

Btw another thing is, your friends or some other Turks in Macedonia or in Bulgaria never educated in Turkey, so they didn't live through our language reform unlike us but we speak exact same Turkish with them today. So, our language reform didn't create new language, we just got rid of stupid duality and fully returned to our own pre-islamic era Turkish which was already spoken by regular people cuz pretty much no one adopted Ottoman Turkish in oral language since it was very difficult to speak with it. You can confirm this by asking your friend.

[Bratot]

The date for the riots is set: 7th November!

Над триесет илјади партиски активисти на Обединети за Македонија, симпатизери и граѓани ќе излезат на бунтот што оваа партија го подготвува за седми ноември.

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=128535

And the standard procedure of UDBA and SDS is their eternal hunt for "bugarofiles" in the opponent party VMRO-DPMNE.

This is a regular case always when they are ready for some political campain:

Во Македонија се величаат бугарофили

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=128505

Со потпис, македонски радикален фронт „Сариса“, ваков леток, во кој се велича Владо Георгиев Черноземски, утрово беше залепен на Широк сокак и растурен низ целиот град во илјада примероци.

На ова реагираше политичката опозиција која во оние што ги лепеа плакатите препознаа активисти на младите сили на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ.

„Јасно е, во пaниката од се помалата поддршка на граѓаните на Република Македонија, ВМРО-ДПМНЕ ќе се обидува на секаков начин да ја прекрои македонската национална историја. На деветти октомври во очи на празнувањето и чествувањето на најсветата македонска дата 11. Октомври, се повампирува бугарофилското крило на ВМРО-ДПМНЕ“, рече Весна Бендевска, пратеничка од СДСМ.

http://a1.com.mk/vesti/default.aspx?VestID=128493

[sf.]

The date for the riots is set: 7th November!

Над триесет илјади партиски активисти на Обединети за Македонија, симпатизери и граѓани ќе излезат на бунтот што оваа партија го подготвува за седми ноември.

Is 'бунт' a riot or an insurrection? Have they made any statements about concrete actions, or is this just some rhetoric to rouse the masses?