Macedonian Orthodox Church - News & Updates

[Risto the Great]

Where are the Russia lovers?
While Kiril & Metodi of Macedonia were defining the dominant language group of Europe, the turko-mongoloid Bulgars were still learning their new language.

[DraganOfStip]

Don't know if I've posted this before,but here's the overview of BULGARIAN professor Plamen Cvetkov about the origins of Bulgarian people.He also in his extensive research confirms that the turko-mongoloid tribe Bulgars consist the core of the modern Bulgarian nation:

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/25Bulgars/BulgarsAndBulgariansEn.htm

[Soldier of Macedon]

Aside from their apparent Asian Bulgar forefathers, do the modern Bulgarians have anybody of note in their history that actually came from Bulgaria (Moesia) instead of those they 'claim' from Macedonia and Thrace?

[Big Bad Sven]

I think the priests in the ROC need to go back to school, or get their heads out of bulgarian asses.

St. Cyril and St. Methodius, St. Naum of Preslav and St. Kliment of Ohrid, were all of macedonian blood. Not of bulgar/tartar/slavo blood

[Big Bad Sven]

Russian Church opinion on Bulgarian "history" and "culture"

Thanking Russian Patriarch Kirill for Recognizing Bulgaria.

Novinite.com
Ivan Dikov
Sofia Speaking | May 1, 2012, Tuesday| 732 views

The visit of Russian Patriarch Kirill to Bulgaria has enjoyed surprisingly high public interest.

However, the first visit in recent times of the head of the Russian Orthodox Church to Bulgaria is especially remarkable for another reason: His Holiness Patriarch Kirill made an explicit recognition of what is one of the most important achievements of the Bulgarian nation in global history, namely:

Bulgaria's role in spreading and promoting the Greco-Roman Christian civilization across a huge swath of the Eurasian continent by developing a distinct Bulgarian-Slavic (Western authors style it Greco-Slavic) culture based on Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the Slavic language, and the Cyrillic alphabet.

All the academic and practical disputes about the "Easternness" of the Slavic nations in Eastern Europe (Russia included) aside, the fact of the matter is that it was the work of the Bulgarian scholars and monks (themselves having just learned from Byzantium's cultural, religious, and academic tradition) that brought large parts of Eurasia into the European civilization some 11 centuries ago, with Bulgaria serving as the cultural Piedmont of the Eastern and Southern Slavic nations.

During his meeting with the Bulgarian President, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church stressed the fact that Bulgaria and Russia share a common religious and cultural heritage as Eastern Orthodox, Slavic nations using the Cyrillic script, which was developed in the 9th century in the First Bulgarian Empire (681-1018 AD).

"The work of the holy brothers, St. Cyril and St. Methodius, laid the foundations for the cultural identity of the Bulgarian, Russian, and other Slavic nations, and the first missionaries in Russia, who brought the new Christian values, were the Bulgarian priests," the Russian Patriarch stated, referring to the key role that Bulgarian clergymen played in the Christianization of Kievan Rus, the first Russian state in the Middle Ages, in the 10th and 11th century.

It was in Bulgaria in the late 9th century that St. Naum of Preslav and St. Kliment of Ohrid, the Bulgarian disciples of St. Cyril and St. Methodius – the authors of the original Slavic alphabet called "Glagolitic" – created a new Slavic alphabet that was called "Cyrillic" in honor of their teacher St. Cyril.

The common history of the Bulgarian and Russian churches goes further as, between the 10th and 18th centuries a total of eight Bulgarian clergymen held top positions in the Russian Orthodox Church, such as Cyprian the Bulgarian, Bishop of Moscow in 1379-1406 AD, and Gregory Tsamblak, Bishop of Kiev in 1413-1420 AD. Apparently, up until the late Middle Ages, the Slavic languages in Europe were so interchangeable that the respective nations could freely borrow one another's educated men.

Patriarch Kirill further declared in Sofia that these cultural and spiritual ties have survived throughout the ages, and motivated the heroism of the Russian soldiers in the Russian-Turkish War of 1877-78, in which the Russian Empire liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman Turkish Empire.

The recognition of Bulgaria's role in the creation of the Eastern Orthodox-Slavic culture might not seem to be as big a deal in the age of post-9/11, post-2008 globalization as it was in the late 19th century Pan-Slavic movement, or the 20th-century Eastern Bloc dominated by (Soviet) Russia. It might not seem particularly impressive for the Western public which often views Russia as an ill-fated autocracy, or for the rising non-Western powers for which the Slavic culture stuff was some regional European matter way too long ago.

But Russian Patriarch Kirill's recognition of Bulgaria's civilizational role in international history is still very important. For one thing, it is about the story of great, brave men who ventured the creation of an entirely new culture (though a part of the Western civilization) from scratch, eventually reaching much of the Eurasian continent led by the word of the Christian God recorded in the Cyrillic-Slavic script.

For another, Bulgaria hardly ever gets some positive international recognition by anybody. Even the Bulgarians' cousins, the Russians, being the citizens of a great power, are generally reluctant to acknowledge the significance of the once powerful Bulgarian empire, today a minor Balkan state, for their history, culture, and identity. So thank you, Your Holiness Patriarch Kirill, for bringing that up.

[julie]

Then why is Petar today still fighting to have MOC join under the auspices of the SOC. Fuck the Serbs and Petar should be defrocked or go and be a serb priest. I think it was in 1969 the MOC was avtokefalna, autocephalas , and an independently recognised church within its own right. Not only is Petar advocating the demise of the MOC by joining under the SOC, he has divided communities and families in Australia with his money grabbing and accumulation of wealth and assets of the backs of our parents and grandparents here who built the churches with their own funds, so as to be able to worship in MOC. Defrock him, get rid of him, he has not done anything here to promote unity, rather the contrary.

[fyrOM]

There is no need for recognition of any other church for the Macedonian church to exist. We don’t recognise you we don’t care.

[Bratot]

Who cares what the serbs think do we need their approval to live & breathe.The macedonian church was a mother church to many churches.If they are going to behave ridiculously well we deseve the neighbours we get.

And Petar actively wanted to join with the SOC.
It can be understood there is only one Macedonian church in Australia .... the one not under Petar.

We are not discussing about any approval, we need to clean our back yard from Serbian agents.

It is hard to believe the name of Petar is a coincidence and unfortunatelly, we have to teach each other history, our own, because we still don't know good enough our enemies.

[Bill77]

Can we have our member Komita comment on this.

[Risto the Great]

"... the Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church is obliged not to recognize the MOC and the Initiative Board because they are invented - Macedonian nation, Macedonian alphabet, Macedonian literature, to definately seal the separation of the SOC and the creation of an independent Orthodox Church MOC that would be part of those fictional works .. "

And Petar actively wanted to join with the SOC.
It can be understood there is only one Macedonian church in Australia .... the one not under Petar.

[George S.]

Who cares what the serbs think do we need their approval to live & breathe.The macedonian church was a mother church to many churches.If they are going to behave ridiculously well we deseve the neighbours we get.

[Bratot]

MOC and the bishops who do not know their history!

Macedonian bishops are guiding with the thought that people do not know their history and
history of the struggle of its clergy and believers, trampling on the pride of the Macedonian people they are receiving gifts and making contracts with major deniers of the Macedonians and the Macedonian Orthodox Church.

The struggle for an independent church was long, namely in 1944 in the village Vranovci was formed the Initiative Board for organizing the Macedonian Orthodox Church.
In March 1945 in Skopje is held the first National Church Council, on which the resolution was passed to restore Archbishopric of Ohrid as Macedonian Orthodox Church. This decision was submitted to The Synod of the SOC, since before the war dioceses in the area of Macedonia were under the United Orthodox Church of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, later – Serbian Orthodox Church.


This decision is not approved by Serbian bishops and they still treated MPC as part of their church, until July 17, 1967 in Ohrid, where convened the Third National Church Assembly, in formal session in the church of Saint Clement of Ohrid, Macedonian Orthodox Church was proclaimed autocephalous. The act of proclamation of the autocephalous Macedonian Orthodox Church was accomplished at the Holy Liturgy held in the church of St. Clement Ohrid on July 19, 1967, by the Holy Synod of the MOC. Exactly 200 years after its abolition by Turkey.

The denial by SOC continues until today, but that denial certainly has found support from some of "Macedonian bishops”.
On the Symposium "Ohrid evangelical activity of Nikolaj Velimirovic" in Shabac, Serbia, which was held in 2008 in which for the Prespa-pelagonic diocese, once responsible Bishop was Bishop St. Nikolaj of Ohrid and Bitola, was awarded with a medal by Bishop of Shabac Mr. Lavrentij and handed to the current authorized bishop prespa-pelagonian metropolitan and Australian and New Zealand administrator Mr. Petar.
On that occasion also with a medal was awarded for Municipality of Bitola, handed to the President of the Council of Municipality Bitola, Ms. Liliana Kuzmanovska.

Similarly, the "symposium was held in a warm friendly and fraternal atmosphere."

All this would be good if there is no history and what Nikolai Velimirovic
together with the Serbian bishop in America, Bishop Dionysius, have said about the Macedonian people in their letters.

Namely, the first letter registered under D.Prot.Nr.6 dated January 16, 1952 where Bishop Dionysius refers to the Patriarch Vikentie:

"... the Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church is obliged not to recognize the MOC and the Initiative Board because they are invented - Macedonian nation, Macedonian alphabet, Macedonian literature, to definately seal the separation of the SOC and the creation of an independent Orthodox Church MOC that would be part of those fictional works .. "

The second letter is from Nikolai Velimirovic, January 5, 1952 stating:

"More difficult is the case with the recognition of the Macedonian nation, that can be done only by a overcloud brain, or a Serbian degenerate or political manipulator, sold soul, traitor of the Serbian people.
When there is no Macedonian nation, there is no Macedonian alphabet, nor Macedonian literature or Macedonian language which is simply a Serbian text of St. Sava dialect of Serbian people "


These quotes are taken from the book "Macedonian Orthodox clergy in the struggle for national and religious freedom" by D. Ilievski and from the book "Historical-legal aspects of relations between Serbian Orthodox Church and Macedonian Orthodox Church” by Miodrag Peric.

History is witness that Dr. Peric from a university professor, was ignored by all and he was “sent” to teach in primary school, and then he ends fixed in invalid chair. That is the fate of all who fought for justice and freedom.
And what is the humanity of the Macedonian bishops and politicians receiving awards who bear the name of the “man” that denied Macedonians? What is their history and their destiny?

http://macedonianspark.com/news/commentsanddebates/435-2010-10-28-16-07-32?lang=en

[Pelister]

This "Church of the Macedonians" he is referring to is the christian sect lead by Macedonius I of Constantinople. His followers were referred to as "Macedonians". This does not denote ethnicity but rather the sect followers of Macedonius.

You could be right, although the chronology of events would be important in this case. I didn't read the source that way.

To me he was expressing the Patriarchates (Council of Constantinople) abolishment of the Ohrid Archbishopric in 1789 (or whenever it was exactly).

[TrueMacedonian]

Here is a tyically Catholic point of view.

The article is interesting because it mentions the 'Church of the Macedonians'.




To the Editor of the Royal Cornwall Gazette . LUTHER.
Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Packet & Plymouth Journal (Truro, England), Saturday, April 05, 1823; Issue 1032. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II

This "Church of the Macedonians" he is referring to is the christian sect lead by Macedonius I of Constantinople. His followers were referred to as "Macedonians". This does not denote ethnicity but rather the sect followers of Macedonius.

[julie]

OM, agree on all points.
The church has always been tied with politics .