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  • lavce pelagonski
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    • Nov 2009
    • 1993

    No probs I just stumbled upon this while looking for something unrelated.
    Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

    „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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    • George S.
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 10116

      Amazing how much they will go.
      "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
      GOTSE DELCEV

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      • Dimko-piperkata
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 1876

        can someone tell me in which cardinal direction ackos sword is showing/attacking ?

        maybe to athen ?



        1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
        2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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        • Volk
          Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 894



          A crowd of several hundred people gathered in Skopje’s central square to watch the lifting of the 30 ton bronze statue. It depicts Alexander the Great on his mighty stallion Bucephalus. The statute is 92 feet tall from the bottom of the pedestal to the tip of alexander’s raised sword.

          Macedonian Atso Stoyanov was excited. “This is a fantasy, it is a fantastic thing,” he said. “It’s wonderful for the Macedonian people, not to mention the Balkans, Europe and the entire world.”

          Stoyanov was impressed by more than the artistry. He approved of the symbolism. Greece claims Alexander the Great as its ancient hero. But what is today Macedonia, was once, along with parts of Greece and Bulgaria, one geographical territory. And Macedonians like Stoyanov say the statute of Alexander the Great represents their cultural heritage and future.

          With this statue we are showing the world that Macedonian has existed, it still exists, and it will continue to exist. The Macedonian people can never be destroyed. We have roots.” Stoyanov said.


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          Macedonia Gets a Statue of Alexander the Great



          A crowd of several hundred people gathered in Skopje’s central square to watch the lifting of the 30 ton bronze statue. It depicts Alexander the Great on his mighty stallion Bucephalus. The statute is 92 feet tall from the bottom of the pedestal to the tip of alexander’s raised sword.

          Macedonian Atso Stoyanov was excited. “This is a fantasy, it is a fantastic thing,” he said. “It’s wonderful for the Macedonian people, not to mention the Balkans, Europe and the entire world.”

          Stoyanov was impressed by more than the artistry. He approved of the symbolism. Greece claims Alexander the Great as its ancient hero. But what is today Macedonia, was once, along with parts of Greece and Bulgaria, one geographical territory. And Macedonians like Stoyanov say the statute of Alexander the Great represents their cultural heritage and future.

          “With this statue we are showing the world that Macedonian has existed, it still exists, and it will continue to exist. The Macedonian people can never be destroyed. We have roots.” Stoyanov said.


          If many Macedonians sound insecure about their identity, they have reason to be. Greece accuses Macedonia of trying to appropriate its history. In fact, Greece insists that Macedonia change its name. But Macedonian cultural anthropologist Aleksandar Ristevski said his compatriots have already done more than enough to appease the Greeks.

          “We changed our flag, we are calling ourselves internationally the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, mentioning a country which doesn’t exist for 20 years using some idiotic acronym. We changed the constitution because of them. We changed millions of things. What did we get? Blockage, degradation and sanctions,” Ristevski said.

          Still, Greece is blocking Macedonia’s bid to join the European Union and NATO unless it changes its name. Macedonian Zoran Iliev urges his countrymen to stand firm.

          The European Union is temporary, it might last for 20, 30 or 50 years, but we are unchanging, we are Macedonians,” he said. “We can change our name now, but then what happens in five years when the EU collapses? I’m not giving up my honor for any European Union. Not a single one.”

          It’s that kind of nationalist fervor that provided the backdrop for the construction of the statute of Alexander the Great. Macedonians consider Alexander their heroic native son.

          And anthropologist Vasiliki Neofotistos of the State University of New York at Buffalo said that means a lot to this beleaguered but proud nation.

          “He was a conqueror and someone who really spread western civilization,” Neofotistos said. “So the idea was that he started his journey from Macedonia and the idea is that this is the birthplace or a cornerstone of western civilization.”

          This week’s completion of the statute of Alexander has angered the Greeks further. But more than one Macedonian pointed out that Greece has its own problems to deal with these days.
          Makedonija vo Srce

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          • lavce pelagonski
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 1993

            Nice article above its nice to see something positive.
            Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

            „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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            • Rogi
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 2343

              Vladimir Milcin can just fuck right off. Neka pukni od maka.
              Last edited by Rogi; 06-25-2011, 12:46 AM.

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              • lavce pelagonski
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 1993

                Ljubomir Frckovski about Alexander the Great monument: We will look at it while we are being laughed at
                24 June 2011 | 17:10 | FOCUS News Agency
                Home / Southeast Europe and Balkans
                Skopje. “Political smart set of the VMRO-DPMNE does not plan to solve the name issue. Thus the complex situation around the monuments is good for them,” said Ljubomir Frckovski, former minister of the interior and foreign affairs of Macedonia and one of the authors of the Ohrid Framework Agreement, in an interview with FOCUS News Agency.
                “I do not have any expectations about the process of the name issue talks, since it is all clear to me. What I find more important is whether the political smart set of the VMRO-DPMNE thinks to solve the issue. Since they do not plan to do it, the way this would affect the projects is a minor issue. If it bears a negative effect, it would be good for them. The situation will get tenser and the talks will be stopped,” Frckovski added.
                Ljubomir Frckovski commented on the jokes about the Alexander the Great monument in Skopje, and the one saying that it looks after him.
                “It is a good joke. We will have to look at it, while everybody else will make jokes,” he remarked.
                Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                • lavce pelagonski
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 1993

                  Ljubomir Frckovski: Macedonian populism based on three big ‘noes’
                  24 June 2011 | 11:00 | FOCUS News Agency
                  Home / Southeast Europe and Balkans
                  Skopje. There is no logical explanation to the entire project of Skopje 2014, which we have been living with over the last few years, but anyway it is being realised. We should get used to the fact that this is the height of the irrational moves made in the Balkans,” said Ljubomir Frckovski, former minister of the interior and foreign affairs of Macedonia and one of the authors of the Ohrid Framework Agreement, in an interview with FOCUS News Agency.
                  “According to the logic, the power of today’s Macedonian populism is based on three basic grounds – three big noes. No to Greece, No to the international community and No to the Albanians. They are working on this irrationally raised fist of the Macedonian dignity. Within this logic and this project. The populism is built on these three negations. A little bit less than half of the Macedonian citizens back this project,” Frckovski said.
                  Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                  „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                  • lavce pelagonski
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1993

                    Ljubomir Frckovski we do not wont your 2 cents worlth, your a sellout
                    Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                    „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                    • lavce pelagonski
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 1993



                      The erection of a giant statue of Alexander the Great in the Macedonian capital of Skopje is the latest round in an ongoing controversy with neighboring Greece. The statue, erected on Tuesday as part of an ambitious urban development plan called Skopje 2014, drew criticism from some Greek politicians and nervous mutterings from European diplomats. They say it’s deliberate provocation because Greece objects to the name Macedonia. Using this name, some say, implies a claim over the Greek province of Macedonia, where Alexander the Great was actually born. Of course neither country existed at the time, the land being divided up into a patchwork of ancient city-states. When history is used as a propaganda tool, historic accuracy goes ...
                      Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                      „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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                      • George S.
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 10116

                        definitely right there lavce he spells trouble for macedonia.
                        "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                        GOTSE DELCEV

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                        • Risto the Great
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 15659

                          Thanks Volk.
                          There were some inspiring thoughts on your link. Here they are again:

                          Macedonia Gets a Statue of Alexander the Great

                          A crowd of several hundred people gathered in Skopje’s central square to watch the lifting of the 30 ton bronze statue. It depicts Alexander the Great on his mighty stallion Bucephalus. The statute is 92 feet tall from the bottom of the pedestal to the tip of alexander’s raised sword.

                          Macedonian Atso Stoyanov was excited. “This is a fantasy, it is a fantastic thing,” he said. “It’s wonderful for the Macedonian people, not to mention the Balkans, Europe and the entire world.”

                          Stoyanov was impressed by more than the artistry. He approved of the symbolism. Greece claims Alexander the Great as its ancient hero. But what is today Macedonia, was once, along with parts of Greece and Bulgaria, one geographical territory. And Macedonians like Stoyanov say the statute of Alexander the Great represents their cultural heritage and future.

                          “With this statue we are showing the world that Macedonian has existed, it still exists, and it will continue to exist. The Macedonian people can never be destroyed. We have roots.” Stoyanov said.


                          If many Macedonians sound insecure about their identity, they have reason to be. Greece accuses Macedonia of trying to appropriate its history. In fact, Greece insists that Macedonia change its name. But Macedonian cultural anthropologist Aleksandar Ristevski said his compatriots have already done more than enough to appease the Greeks.

                          “We changed our flag, we are calling ourselves internationally the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, mentioning a country which doesn’t exist for 20 years using some idiotic acronym. We changed the constitution because of them. We changed millions of things. What did we get? Blockage, degradation and sanctions,” Ristevski said.

                          Still, Greece is blocking Macedonia’s bid to join the European Union and NATO unless it changes its name. Macedonian Zoran Iliev urges his countrymen to stand firm.

                          The European Union is temporary, it might last for 20, 30 or 50 years, but we are unchanging, we are Macedonians,” he said. “We can change our name now, but then what happens in five years when the EU collapses? I’m not giving up my honor for any European Union. Not a single one.”

                          It’s that kind of nationalist fervor that provided the backdrop for the construction of the statute of Alexander the Great. Macedonians consider Alexander their heroic native son.

                          And anthropologist Vasiliki Neofotistos of the State University of New York at Buffalo said that means a lot to this beleaguered but proud nation. (RtG - Take note of this woman!)

                          “He was a conqueror and someone who really spread western civilization,” Neofotistos said. “So the idea was that he started his journey from Macedonia and the idea is that this is the birthplace or a cornerstone of western civilization.”

                          This week’s completion of the statute of Alexander has angered the Greeks further. But more than one Macedonian pointed out that Greece has its own problems to deal with these days.
                          A great deal of positive comments that provide hope. Yet none from Macedonian politicians. They are too busy cutting deals to cut up Macedonia right now ...
                          Risto the Great
                          MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                          "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                          Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                          • indigen
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 1558

                            Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                            Thanks Volk.
                            There were some inspiring thoughts on your link. Here they are again:
                            A great deal of positive comments that provide hope. Yet none from Macedonian politicians. They are too busy cutting deals to cut up Macedonia right now ...
                            Agree but I don't like the "We changed" claim/comment. Who is "we" and why absolve the traitors by FALSELY DISTORTING the political history of the recent past?
                            We changed our flag, we are calling ourselves internationally the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, mentioning a country which doesn’t exist for 20 years using some idiotic acronym. We changed the constitution because of them. We changed millions of things. What did we get? Blockage, degradation and sanctions,” Ristevski said.
                            Amnesia and lies should not be accepted as an excuse for treasonous dirty deeds of VASSAL POLITICIANS!

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                            • Volk
                              Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 894

                              Makedonija vo Srce

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                              • lavce pelagonski
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 1993







                                Стравот на Атина од овој Македонец одел до таму што го нарекле „Страшниот Чакаларов“ „гркоубиец“ и „крвожеден комитаџија“.

                                „Ако знам дека тука тече една капка грчка крв, јас сега би ја отсекол целата рака и би ја фрлил в море.“ Васил Чакаларов

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