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Republic of Macedonia's EU and NATO Strategies
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Originally posted by Redsun View PostThank you Amphi, where did you read this?
I thought her mother was of Asia minor descent? Do you consider her mother Greek?Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostAre you sure she was born there? Either way, her parents were imports. A pretty tenuous link to Macedonia at best.
Originally posted by Redsun View PostTwo to Three decades, you are easily mixed.
Two to Three decades! they must have no form of self respect what so ever to be converted so easily. How do you accept such worthless people into your country?
If they had no respect for their own lands how will they treat yours?
Originally posted by Redsun View PostYou know your mother was not an ethnic/native Macedonian.
Where did she come from?
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostMy relatives in Greece did not speak Greek over 70 years ago. Do you think they would have been taught to speak a dialect of Greek or textbook Greek?
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostBring any of those texts to Greeks of 150 years ago. That is my point that you are either deliberately evading or unable to grasp. They either spoke Albanian or a version of Greek that meant they didn't understand what you understand now. What you understand now is a product of the catharsis. You can play around with that concept but, if you don't understand me, you should be grateful that I have helped you with your own history.
If you go further back in Hellenistic Period and Bible Greek there start the problems. Since 20th Century all ancient plays are performed transferred in Modern Greek; before that, such an action was unusual and was probably seen as inappropriate (like some form of blasphemy). It’s rare nowadays to see performances in the original; usually it’s among students or for special occasions.
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostGreek language hasn't seriously changed in the last 10-15 centuries for various reasons. The Cretan plays of 1500s-1600s are watched and enjoyed today in theater without needing any modification (just as English watch Shakespeare).
Τ άκουσες, Αρετούσα μου, τα θλιβερά μαντάτα;ο Kύρης σου μ' εξόρισε εις τση ξενιτιάς τη στράτα;Tέσσερεις μέρες μοναχά μου 'δωκε ν' ανιμένω,κι αποκεί να ξενιτε...
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Originally posted by makedonche View PostPartly correct, the last section I strongly disagree with - no such thing as both ethnic Greek and ethnic Macedonian....this is the bullshit game played by Greeks to claim they are Macedonian and hang their hats on, to maintain this farce called the "name negotiations"! Newsflash.....126(appx) countries recognise the Republic of Macedonia by it's self chosen name.....the balance of ignoramus' are in denial, particularly the platesmashers!
Let me clarify. If my mother is Italian, and my father is Macedonian, what does that make me? It makes me both ethnic Italian and Macedonian.
So in the same sense, if my mother is an ethnic Greek, and my father is an ethnic Macedonian, this would make me both Macedonian and Greek.
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Originally posted by spitfire View PostThat's totally different to what we have discussed so far. You are now telling me that greek was not understood by those who did not speak greek.
No my friend, any type of vernacular in greek is compatible with each other.
If you are reffering to those who were speaking Arvanitika, then arvanitika is not greek, but a different language. They used greek syntax and there were words that originated from greek, but it was not greek (neither Albanian though). Arvanites were developing a language that was in between at the time. That language stopped evolving since they were absorbed by greeks and today only very few speak it.
To those that spoke the vernacular greek, any greek text (provided they could read) was tangible.Risto the Great
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Originally posted by spitfire View PostPropaganda has made a mash in your head makedonche. I've encountered this many times in my life. It's typical and it has patterns. No worries.
No, my head is perfectly clear, it comes from knowing who & what I am, & who my forefathers were! Unlike your good self and the majority of Greeks who have an identity crisis from not being able to trace their forefathers or where they came from or where their mother was from or their fathers origins! I'm not surprised in the slightest you've encountered this many times in your life, given you have to live with it!On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Originally posted by Philosopher View PostYou are misinterpreting my words.
Let me clarify. If my mother is Italian, and my father is Macedonian, what does that make me? It makes me both ethnic Italian and Macedonian.
So in the same sense, if my mother is an ethnic Greek, and my father is an ethnic Macedonian, this would make me both Macedonian and Greek.
You're either ethnic Macedonian or you're not, stop trying to mix the two together as if we have some sort of ethnic affiliation with the platesmashers, you're just being sucked into their game!On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Originally posted by makedonche View PostPhilosopher
You're either ethnic Macedonian or you're not, stop trying to mix the two together as if we have some sort of ethnic affiliation with the platesmashers, you're just being sucked into their game!
Offspring are the result of the biological parents. if one parent is German, and the other Macedonian, the offspring cannot be 100% of only one group. The offspring can only be 50% of each ethnicity.
You cannot be either "Macedonian or you're not" if you are the offspring of biological parents with two different ethnicities. That is an absurd statement.
What part of this does your belligerent mind not understand?
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Makedonche:
I don't think Philosopher is saying anything other than if a Greek marries a Macedonian, then the child will be half Greek and half Macedonian.
Philosopher:
Regarding the above: I guess it depends on how one defines ethnicity. I personally don't base it solely, or primarily, on ancestry. To me, and probably many anthropologists, it is just as much (if not more) socially constructed and thus based on culture, language, etc. If a Greek marries a Macedonian, the child could still identify his ethnic group as 100% Macedonian (or 100% Greek), depending on his culture, language, social surroundings, citizenship, and mentality.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostMakedonche:
I don't think Philosopher is saying anything other than if a Greek marries a Macedonian, then the child will be half Greek and half Macedonian.
Originally posted by VicsinadPhilosopher:
Regarding the above: I guess it depends on how one defines ethnicity. I personally don't base it solely, or primarily, on ancestry. To me, and probably many anthropologists, it is just as much (if not more) socially constructed and thus based on culture, language, etc. If a Greek marries a Macedonian, the child could still identify his ethnic group as 100% Macedonian (or 100% Greek), depending on his culture, language, social surroundings, citizenship, and mentality.
This is my point.
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Philiosopher
No disagreements. I know someone who is both Serbian and Macedonian, but only identities as Serbian. (born in Serbia, Serbian surname, and speaks Serbian). However, regardless of how the offspring self-identifies, he or she cannot make the argument that both parents are ethnic Serbians.
This is my point.
If you are half of one and half another, don't bother calling yourself Macedonian, simple enough for you?On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostMakedonche:
I don't think Philosopher is saying anything other than if a Greek marries a Macedonian, then the child will be half Greek and half Macedonian.
Philosopher:
Regarding the above: I guess it depends on how one defines ethnicity. I personally don't base it solely, or primarily, on ancestry. To me, and probably many anthropologists, it is just as much (if not more) socially constructed and thus based on culture, language, etc. If a Greek marries a Macedonian, the child could still identify his ethnic group as 100% Macedonian (or 100% Greek), depending on his culture, language, social surroundings, citizenship, and mentality.
I get it crystal clear, what Philosopher fails to grasp is that every time you dilute the Macedonian identity, either through genetics or self identification as half or part Macedonian or Greek Macedonian or Macedonian Greek, you feed the Greeks all the ammunition they need to use against you, understand?On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Philosopher
You still don't understand, do you? This is not about ethnic affiliation with Greeks.On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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