Goshince police station attacked and taken by armed Albanians

[lavce pelagonski]

1. UCK is in the government how can they topple the government are you taking drugs?
2.This government gave freedom to UCK members for committing crimes against humanity over ethnic Macedonians.
3. Angelov is not siding with SDSM. He has been in coalition with them months, and he has not been with them for 2 years, he explicitly said that.

No matter how many lies are told for anyone against this corrupt and anti-macedonian government twice more the lies will be exposed, so don't bother. And what kind of lajna is Angelov saying can you elaborate and debate. Please give examples.

Ramo no one said that VMRO DPMNE is perfect. They now have to deal with this ramkoven dogovor that crvenkovski, geiorgievski and trajkovski signed. You should know better just like the intern agreement it is not as simple as saying no. In reality it is very difficult for this to happen over night. If you love Angelov so much have a listen to this. He wants UCK along side him and SDS to topple the government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2CdEtJ88pY

I cant find the post from Angelov on his fb page but he says it all in the interview trying to suck up to the UCK scum.

As for the amnesty I agree with you but every member had a choice in the way they voted.

Its very easy to make straight forward decisions on MTO, but we have to think about the world we live in and how Macedonia as a whole will suffer.

[lavce pelagonski]

Stojanche Angelov is no more, he has transformed himself into a puppet of SDS who in turn is a puppet of SOROS.
Стојанче Ангелов не одговори на прашањето на Лупевска

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR0zsIwtblw

Латас го прегази `командант Стојани` (УЧК)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgHmFWiOJA

Латас за `одлепениот соросоид Гелевски

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8Ix_F7ZB8

Тој неможе да се нарекува генерал! Бранителите од Бедем контра Стојанче Ангелов

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK7PeoBVOIQ

Стојанче Ангелов на Фејсбук: би соработувал со УЧК против власта

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Os_I4pwUFM

I think even Latas is right in this instance.


How do members of this forum think is the best way in which all political parties in Macedonia can change there ways and be more geared in the well being of Macedonians and the Macedonian cause?

Personally I think the only way a party can fully change their actions and the way they work is to actively engage them. If we take the initiative to enter these parties we have a chance to change the way they work from the inside. It will take more than one person to do this and is more productive than to just complaining on forums or in the shopping centers. Remember its not the party itself that is the problem but the people running it, and the only way to remove them is to challenge them withing the party.

[ramo]

Ramo no one said that VMRO DPMNE is perfect. They now have to deal with this ramkoven dogovor that crvenkovski, geiorgievski and trajkovski signed. You should know better just like the intern agreement it is not as simple as saying no. In reality it is very difficult for this to happen over night. If you love Angelov so much have a listen to this. He wants UCK along side him and SDS to topple the government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2CdEtJ88pY

I cant find the post from Angelov on his fb page but he says it all in the interview trying to suck up to the UCK scum.

As for the amnesty I agree with you but every member had a choice in the way they voted.

Its very easy to make straight forward decisions on MTO, but we have to think about the world we live in and how Macedonia as a whole will suffer.

Lavce, did you even watch what you posted. Not a single thing you wrote about Angelov is true. I can see you are honest and patriot, but why the need for such things?

In the video from the debate:
1. Angelov says that not now not ever in future UCK commanders should be Ministers of Interior and Defense.He says that and in front of him is sitting former UCK commander. On the other side, Gruevski is in political marriage with Ali ahmeti - the prime commander of UCK, he allows UCK commanders to be ministers of Defense, gave amnesty to the terrorists that made atrocities over macedonians.
2. He says the UCK members responsible for crimes against humanity should be prosecuted.
3.Bedem is small group of people. "Braniteli" support angelov.

What you say about "him going with UCK" is your subconscious mind polluted by the lies and propaganda you hear on Sitel, Kanal 5 and Alfa TV every day. I can get the logic the government supporters have:

"It is OK for Gruevski to rule with UCK but it is disaster for someone to go on debates on TV with them".

Other explanation other than stupidity and subjective to manipulation i can not find. The other post of yours i think is ridiculous to comment. Latas is just a puppet for brainwashing to the people incapable of thinking for themselves. It is communist style of propaganda, the narration, the diction and the way they report about every non supporter of the government. We all know why is it case and how they got orders to manipulate the truth. I can elaborate every lie told on Shitel if you want.

About your proposition. So far no prime minister has been held responsible and gone long years in prison for the crimes they did - Georgievski, Crvenkovski and Gruevski. When this happens (and i think now is the best possibility) every prime minister will start thinking of their actions. What the population can do is change the ruling party every 4 years because we see every party in power for longer time becomes absolutely corrupt.

[George S.]

I wouldnt be surprised ig the whole thing wssn t staged.THere is so much bs in g o coming out of macedonia.

[lavce pelagonski]

Ramo on Angelovs g b page I read this with my own eyes. If I didn't I would have said it was a lie. As for DUI I agree with you but that is due to the ramkoven dogovor. I strongly believe if we have a proper census it will help solve this issue.

Ramo you can't deny that Angelov is finished just read his fb post go directly to the source.

[ramo]

Ramo on Angelovs g b page I read this with my own eyes. If I didn't I would have said it was a lie. As for DUI I agree with you but that is due to the ramkoven dogovor. I strongly believe if we have a proper census it will help solve this issue.

Ramo you can't deny that Angelov is finished just read his fb post go directly to the source.

I know very well what he publishes on facebook. I also know what other politicians, intellectuals, reporters, ordinary people. Not because i want to but the situation in the last few years and of course the wiretapped conversations we all hear in the past 1-2 months made me interested in politics. I know which post you are referring and it is easy to find it on his facebook. His post was written in response to accusations and lies made by Latas on TV that Angelov was cozying up (умилкува) to a UCK commander on this interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHxHzsT5vW0

You can see yourself that nothing Latas said is true. After that lie told on TV (of course the TV station never shows the other side although they are obliged by law to do it) Angelov wrote the status in which he said even UCK are more honest and decent than Latas and this government (which i personally strongly believe is the case because not many things are worse than these people leading the country). He wrote that he will go together with the same UCK commander he had a duel with against Latas and the government on the protest on the national TV station. The other side never told they accept the challenge. This facebook status became target of manipulations and public brainwashing on all government controlled TV stations. The fact that Angelov is saying that in few generations maybe Macedonians and Albanians will live together well is no anti-macedonian for me. At least he is honest and said in one interview one month ago that he would not be happy if his children get married with albanian partner although he knew that he will loose respect among albanians.

Government controlled "Reporters" like Latas tell manipulations on TV all the time. They said that the general was taking photographs in front of destroyed military vehicles like criminal and he got the response on angelov's facebook (of course the TV never published demant) that the destroyed jeep was the jeep he was driving in himself and got hit by UCK missle and he took the photo to remind him of that case.

One more thing, on the link you posted from Telma titled "Angelov did not respond to the question", you can clearly hear that he answers the question how he knew this attack on the police station was going to happen and his sources. The only thing that confused you is the fact that the video was uploaded with fake title by some indoctrinated man for obvious purpose.

[Risto the Great]

Lavce, I think Ramo has the better of you in this matter. You seem to be relying on a whole lot of hearsay and innuendo. Pretty much like most Macedonians in Macedonia it would seem.

Personally I think the only way a party can fully change their actions and the way they work is to actively engage them. If we take the initiative to enter these parties we have a chance to change the way they work from the inside. It will take more than one person to do this and is more productive than to just complaining on forums or in the shopping centers. Remember its not the party itself that is the problem but the people running it, and the only way to remove them is to challenge them withing the party.

I want to know why you think calling a political party VMRO automatically makes the party somehow more Macedonian than any other one.

I would vote for SDSM if their leaders were transparently working towards a better Macedonia as defined by the Cause in this forum. To suggest the VMRO "party itself" is not the problem is a typically Macedonian wishy washy statement and an attempt to deflect the obvious corruption on all levels within that political organisation. Change the name and they are nothing more than a group of people in coalition with self confessed enemies of Macedonia and Macedonians doing nothing more than seeking personal gain.

I think you have swallowed VMRO hook, line and sinker.

Personally, I wouldn't trust any of them. They are too hungry for money to think about Macedonia and Macedonians.

[lavce pelagonski]

Lavce, I think Ramo has the better of you in this matter. You seem to be relying on a whole lot of hearsay and innuendo. Pretty much like most Macedonians in Macedonia it would seem.

I want to know why you think calling a political party VMRO automatically makes the party somehow more Macedonian than any other one.

I would vote for SDSM if their leaders were transparently working towards a better Macedonia as defined by the Cause in this forum. To suggest the VMRO "party itself" is not the problem is a typically Macedonian wishy washy statement and an attempt to deflect the obvious corruption on all levels within that political organisation. Change the name and they are nothing more than a group of people in coalition with self confessed enemies of Macedonia and Macedonians doing nothing more than seeking personal gain.

I think you have swallowed VMRO hook, line and sinker.

Personally, I wouldn't trust any of them. They are too hungry for money to think about Macedonia and Macedonians.

Risto I did say that any Macedonian political party can change not just VMRO DPMNE. Its better than just sitting at the computer posting on forums. I know that the MTO has become anti - VMRO DPMNE but to say that Angelov is a rose is just blinding.

" hook, line and sinker", didnt we all fall for the same thing with when the MTO had such promise and that was dismantled from the inside in a controlled environment. People can think what they want, I am not going to sit at my desk all day I'd rather try and make a change in the real world. Its the lack of involvement that is setting us back. If I am wrong in my response so is everyone else.
Risto I know you liked Ramo's response better because it caters to your own view.

Regards,
Lavce

[Risto the Great]

Lavce, I wouldn't trust a single Macedonian politician (including Angelov). That is my view, you will have to tell me what you believe my view is. As mentioned previously, they are too hungry for money to think about Macedonia and Macedonians. But I would rank Angelov higher than Gruevski from an integrity perspective.

The MTO was nothing more than a place for Macedonians to discuss issues and generate consensus on issues relating to the Cause. I don't think anything has fundamentally changed in that regard, other than interest from a few members waning.

I believe any critical thinker would aim the blame at Macedonia's current position with Gruevski and his coalition. He has had enough time to create fundamental change and has done nothing. Let me make that clear for you ... Gruevski and his band of gypsies have been in complete control of the country for almost 10 years and we have seen Macedonia no better off than before. No other political party is to blame.

At least DPmNE had the balls to reject a coalition in 1990. Not much in the way of "balls" from them since then.

You should engage more with Ramo, it really sounds like he is more in tune with the more subtle ebbs and flows within the political landscape of Macedonia.

Further, it is the Macedonians in Macedonia who are the ones who should engage more than people like yourself. If you think you are doing something positive, then you will have to spell it out. Because I will suggest Australia Macedonian influence on the DPmNE franchise are non-existent. Isn't the DPmNE clown who represents Macedonians from Australia still doing nothing (other than letting off UCK soldiers)?

[George S.]

They have been turning a blind eye on things for years.Giving amnesty,pensions ,seats on parliament is what americans call collatoral damage.Macedonians are willing to live life to the extrememe even minorities telling them how to behave.Nothing is surprising any more as we allready know about the capitulating attitude of gruevski and co.Whils't some citizens hate and are discontented with gruevski what alternatives are there?Who knows where the answer lies.The uck and the NLA have the macedonians and their ppoliticians under control.What more could they want.Tor skirmishes who can guarantee the safety of its citizens??He goshince iuncident is just another example where the likes of uck or nla can do anything they want and snub their noses at the macedonian authorities.The government has really learned nothing about any lessons of the past.You got regular spills happening with all sorts of happenings on borders that are meant to be inviolible.No one lifts a finger or there is no respect for our borders.Kosovo is really a thorn in macedonia's side.The politicians hope that there will be no war

[Volokin]

Macedonia: Police conduct raid near Kosovo border

Searching houses in this region, mostly abandoned, the police found weapons and ammunition, Kotevski said, MIA news agency reported.

On April 7, a group of around 40 people wearing uniforms of the disbanded ethnic Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army attacked a police watchtower in Gosince, on Macedonia’s northern border with Kosovo, some 30 km north of the capital Skopje, Kotevski said.

He said the group apparently entered Macedonia from Kosovo, briefly captured four on-duty police officers and took control of the watchtower for about half an hour, after which the policemen were released.

No injuries were reported, and Kotevski qualified the incident as “very serious,” adding that Macedonia was “the target of a terrorist attack.”

http://inserbia.info/today/2015/04/macedonia-police-conduct-raid-near-kosovo-border/

Whether this is purely a way to legitimize that something happened is unknown.

[makedonche]

http://inserbia.info/today/2015/04/m...kosovo-border/

Whether this is purely a way to legitimize that something happened is unknown.

Volokin
More like a way to test reaction times and see if anyone gives a rats arse!

[Bill77]

Then on the other hand......

Terrorism conveniently strikes Macedonia just as Russian 'Balkan Stream' project gains traction


At the exact same time that Greece has received a guarantee for billions of cubic meters' worth of Russian gas, Macedonia is being rocked by the threat of a renewed Albanian insurgency designed to offset Moscow's pipeline plans.

Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller announced that Russia will guarantee 47 billion cubic meters of gas a year to Greece via the Turkish Stream, which would then go onwards to supply the European market. While it's not yet specified exactly which path the pipeline will take from Greece to the EU, it's more than likely that it'll go through Macedonia en route to the former South Stream's envisioned Serbian hub, and thenceforth through Hungary, Austria, and beyond, just like Russia originally anticipated last year. There's one major obstacle to that strategy, however, and it's that the US is attempting to transform its failed Color Revolution in Macedonia into an Unconventional War to neutralize this geostrategic route, utilizing the specter of an Albanian terrorist campaign modeled off the Syrian template to achieve its destructive goals.

From Color Revolution to Unconventional War

In the years since the War on Yugoslavia, the US has perfected and patterned a novel method of regime change that proceeds according to pre-established escalation checkpoints. Washington first issues either a direct or implicit/covert ultimatum to the targeted government, the rejection of which serves as the 'dog whistle' for activating the dormant Color Revolution social infrastructure present in the country. Should that plan come to fail, then some of the associated destabilizing actors are transitioned into launching an Unconventional War. The final step, should that fail and a Great Power doesn't diplomatically intervene (as Russia did with Syria in September 2013), is to repeat the Libyan Scenario of a conventional intervention that leaves no doubt as to the success of its regime change odds.

Adapting this template for the Macedonian application, it can be seen how the country has thus far successfully repelled the Color Revolution attempt by Zoran Zaev, which in turn led to concrete Russian investment in the country's pipeline infrastructure that set the stage for the Putin-Tsipras agreement earlier this month. Now that the Balkan Stream pipeline plans are rapidly gaining traction, the US realized that it needs to act quickly to in order to sabotage them, hence the sudden reemergence of Albanian terrorism in Macedonia. While this problem was previously so serious as to push the country near civil war in 2001, it's generally subsided since then, with only a handful of extremists unhappy with the generous Ochrid Agreements that guaranteed the Albanian minority vast political and social rights. Nonetheless, that hasn't stopped the country of Albania, the US' regional Lead From Behind proxy, from threatening regional destabilization in order to create Greater Albania.

Albanian Agitation

An international scandal rocked the Serbian capital of Belgrade last fall when Albanian nationalists used a drone to fly a Fascist-era Greater Albania flag through a football stadium during a heated match, threatening to rekindle ethnic tensions that had long remained on edge in that corner of the Balkans. The provocation thankfully didn't result in any deaths, but it did raise fears that the same style of World War II historical revisionism from Ukraine was slithering down to the Balkans with implicit US strategic support, opening up a new geo-ideological front in the New Cold War. Earlier this month, Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama confirmed that Fascist-era thinking is indeed alive and well in Tirana when he officially pushed for the creation of Greater Albania. He spoke of his country's plans to annex the Serbian Province of Kosovo (which he calls "unification"), saying that it was "inevitable" and "unquestionable", and that the only question is "Will it happen in the context of the EU as a natural process and understood by all, or will it happen as a reaction to EU blindness or laziness?" The Serbian government rightfully responded with indignation, warning Albania against "banging the war drums" and saying that the two entities would "never unite".

This was just the opening salvo of Tirana's regional agitations, however, as a short while later, Hashim Thaci, the former political leader of the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army and Foreign Minister of the unilaterally self-proclaimed government of Kosovo, said he would travel to Belgrade to attend a conference he was invited to. Serbian Interior Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic warned that "If he turns up in Belgrade, the Ministry of Interior will act according to the law and bring him to justice", since Thaci had been convicted in absentia of terrorist-related offensives in 1997 and sentenced to a decade imprisonment. Not even a week later, about 40 individuals identifying themselves as members of the thought-to-be disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army, the same group that Thaci himself once led, crossed over from Kosovo (now under NATO occupation and no longer administered by Serbia) and raided a Macedonian police post near the border. They took a couple police officers hostage and ominously declared that "We will have an Albanian state", before scurrying back to their NATO protectorate after a few hours.

Thus, just as Albanian nationalism threatened to make South Stream a pipedream, so too does it seem poised to do the same with Balkan Stream, as in the course of only six brief months, Albania and its Kosovo satellite have shockingly:

* Flown a Fascist-era flag over Belgrade;

* Openly declared their intentions to unilaterally impose a Greater Albania on the Balkans;

* Revived an irredentist terrorist organization;

* And staged a violent border incursion into Macedonia.

The most destabilizing aspect is that the US, EU, and NATO haven't condemned any of this whatsoever, and in fact, Albania and Kosovo enjoy de-jure and de-facto NATO support, with the former being an official member and the latter being occupied by one of the US' largest bases in Europe, Camp Bondsteel. These disturbing facts reveal implicit Western support for Albanians aggressive actions, adding credence to the analysis that they are indeed being coordinated by the US in order to sabotage Russia's Balkan Stream project.

Forecast Indicators And Coming Consequences

* Here's what to monitor as the situation further develops:

* Possible expansion of terrorist raids into Serbia's Albanian-populated Sandzak and Presevo Valley border regions;

* Albanian/Kosovar/NATO/US military reactions and official statements to the terrorist incursion (whether in Macedonia and/or Serbia);

* The loyalty of Albanian political parties to the democratically elected government of Macedonia;

* And the 'second wind' potential of the Macedonian Color Revolution and its possible transformation into a EuroMaidan-like meltdown.

Other than the possible disruption of Balkan Stream's construction and the violent formalization of Greater Albania, the consequences of renewed ethnic destabilization in the Balkans could include:

* A strengthening of Serbian-Macedonian ties centered on shared victimhood;

* Intensification of CSTO/SCO/Eurasian Union outreaches to beleaguered non-NATO and non-EU members Serbia and Macedonia;

* The threatening of China's Balkan Silk Road plan for high-speed rail from the Greek port of Piraeus to Budapest (via Macedonia and Serbia);

* And subsequently, possible Chinese shadow mediation at settling the conflict before it spirals out of control.

Finally, be on the lookout for US/EU 'mediation' attempts that are nothing more than 'good cop' diplomatic tricks to pursue their 'bad cop' geopolitical designs. Also, be wary of any initiative or statement that could be interpreted as a subversive invitation for US/NATO military intervention in Serbia and/or Macedonia.

http://www.sott.net/article/295639-Terrorism-conveniently-strikes-Macedonia-just-as-Russian-Balkan-Stream-project-gains-traction

it would not surprise me if all this is true.

[Volokin]

Police have one suspect from the village of Brest, related to the terrorist threatening to the constitutional order and the security of Macedonia, with the attack on the police station in the Gosince village, Telegraf.mk has learnt.

On Sunday, police found a large part of the weapons used on April 21, on the night when it was seized from the guard barrack near the Kosovo border.

The Macedonian Interior Minister Gordana Jankuloska confirmed that raids were carried out on two locations in Brest and one location in the village of Brnjarci.

"During the raid, two automatic rifles and ammunition, two sniper rifles and ammunition, ten guns and ammunition, a holster, uniform with UCK insignia, radio connection and other items were found with 55-year-old O.S. for whom there were suspicions that he was part of the group that attacked the guard barrack," Jankuloska said.

During the raid of the house in Brnjarci that the suspect was using no items that are of the interest of the investigation were discovered.

"After the performed analyses of the weapons and the serial numbers it was confirmed the weapons were part of the firearms seized during the attack of the police station in Gosince," the minister said. The guns were given for further expertise in order to find possible material traces that are related to the committed crime, after which an appropriate charge will follow.

The Sunday's intervention, Jankuloska added, the knowledge that the police had previously has been confirmed, but also the indications on the involvement of certain people.

The minister also confirmed that the information gained through the police operations point to a certain Mirsad Ndrecaj, a.k.a. Commander Nato, who said on his Facebook profile on Sunday that he takes responsibility for the crime.

Jankuloska said that the attempts of the opposition to show the entire incident as a fake terrorist attack were an additional fuel to the fear and unrest with the citizens.

"The event itself had its affect over the feeling of security with the citizens, and in this way, there is an attempt to diminish the readiness of the security forces. But the facts and time best dismiss those who spoke of such scenarios that not only they weren't right, but that the security forces are ready to professionally respond to any task," Jankuloska said.

Last week, the Macedonian Interior Ministry reported that on Monday late at night a terrorist attack had took place. Namely, around 2:30 am, a group of around 40 people attacked the guard barrack in Gosince near the country's northern border. The people were well armed, wore masked uniforms with UCK (National Liberation Army) insignia and talked to each other on Albanian language.

"During the attack, four police officers were seized, who at the moment wore on duty at the guard barrack. The attackers disarmed three of them, and handcuffed them, while they beat one up. The attackers took out a camera and recorded the event," the interior ministry said last week.

Area surrounding the Gosince village, near the Macedonian-Kosovo border. Photo: Telegraf.mk

The person, who was leading the group, spoke to the tied police officers on Albanian, through an interpreter who spoke Macedonian badly. "We belong to the UCK, tell everyone that Ahmeti and Gruevski cannot save you. We want our state and dislike any Ohrid agreements. No one can come up any more. If we catch you or any other again, we will liquidate you all".

According to police data, the persons came from Kosovo. They disarmed the police officers, took their radio connections and broke their cell phones.

The Macedonian police have contacted their Kosovo colleagues who supported them and offered assistance for the complete clearance of the case.

http://www.independent.mk/articles/16848/Part+of+Weapons+in+Gosince+Attack+Found%2C+as+Suspect+Is+on+the+Run%22

[DedoAleko]

Mirsad Ndrecai, who took responsibility for Goshince incident, was among the killed at the police action in Kumanovo.

Check this out. This guy's alias is...or was "commander NATO".

izvor and additional tetails about the arrested and people involved: http://telma.com.mk/vesti/osuden-za-...-vo-kumanovo-0