Violence in the USA

[Carlin]

- Cops come under fire during protest in St. Louis; at least 4 officers were shot in the gun battle & the scene remains active; looting and arson reported across the city

- At least 2 shootings reported on Las Vegas Strip; police officer confirmed shot outside Circus Circus hotel-casino

- 2 dead, 60+ arrested in Chicago suburb of Cicero as unrest continues; unclear how the deaths occurred, city spokesperson says

- In the dead of night, the 115-year-old “Confederate Soldiers and Sailors” monument in Birmingham, Alabama is being removed

[Risto the Great]

Curious to know how legitimately this Antifa bullshit movement is related the unrest.

[Gocka]

Curious to know how legitimately this Antifa bullshit movement is related the unrest.

As much as the Diaspora nearly started a revolution in Macedonia.

Most of them are some twitter trolls, I'm sure there is a handful of them that are on the streets. Its not a real organization, extremely loosely affiliated and like I said mostly online.

[Carlin]

Probably white supremacists posing as "Antifa" in many cases.

[Gocka]

- Cops come under fire during protest in St. Louis; at least 4 officers were shot in the gun battle & the scene remains active; looting and arson reported across the city

- At least 2 shootings reported on Las Vegas Strip; police officer confirmed shot outside Circus Circus hotel-casino

- 2 dead, 60+ arrested in Chicago suburb of Cicero as unrest continues; unclear how the deaths occurred, city spokesperson says

- In the dead of night, the 115-year-old “Confederate Soldiers and Sailors” monument in Birmingham, Alabama is being removed

Its getting out of control. If white nationalist groups or other counter protests pop up it could get very ugly. The police will also undoubtedly get more violent if police officers keep getting killed. There are so many potential flash points right now that could cause everything to spiral further out of control.

As long as people keep protesting it will give cover for others to loot and riot. Even if the protests themselves are not violent, its always going to preoccupy authorities and make it harder to deal with the other elements at play.

[Phoenix]

Probably white supremacists posing as "Antifa" in many cases.

Most of the looting I've seen on Twitter is of blacks running out of shops with their arms full of everything from cheesecakes to guitars.

Evidence of wilful damage to shops and other buildings seems to be largely perpetrated by blacks of various ages and youngish looking white kids.

Cowardly group attacks on mostly solitary white males has been at the hands of groups of blacks and young white men.

None appear to be "white supremacists" by their actions nor in general appearance...they look more like the- extinction rebellion cunts

The vast bulk of this shit has nothing to do with Floyd's unfortunate death (as everybody knows), the battle is between the various groups of the political left and their hatred of Trump - not sure where white supremacists fit the bill.

[Gocka]

Most of the looting I've seen on Twitter is of blacks running out of shops with their arms full of everything from cheesecakes to guitars.

Evidence of wilful damage to shops and other buildings seems to be largely perpetrated by blacks of various ages and youngish looking white kids.

Cowardly group attacks on mostly solitary white males has been at the hands of groups of blacks and young white men.

None appear to be "white supremacists" by their actions nor in general appearance...they look more like the- extinction rebellion cunts

The vast bulk of this shit has nothing to do with Floyd's unfortunate death (as everybody knows), the battle is between the various groups of the political left and their hatred of Trump - not sure where white supremacists fit the bill.

Its all online commentary that people are fixated on. People claiming to be "antifa" online, whether they really think they are part of some group or they are white nationalists trying to get blame assigned to a leftist group. Its all ветар во магла.

Trust me the mindless thugs stealing cheese cakes and air jordans are not part of some radical leftist political movement. People need to stop focusing on twitter wars and look at the facts on the ground.

Those facts are simple: Some people are protesting about police brutality most recently George Floyd. Some people are protesting policing in general including militarization of police. Some people are angry and want to break shit. Some people are opportunists and just want to steal shit. Some people are made about poverty. Some people hate Trump. Some people are bored from being under lock down for 2 months. Add that all together and you get utter chaos.

You can't make any sense of it because it doesn't make any. The fact that the vast majority of people are not working due to Covid means they have nothing better to do. So everyone with a grievance is acting out one way or another.

[Carlin]

Sony TVs Matter

A couple of updates from tonight:
- The Pentagon moves 1600 troops, including infantry battalion, to bases near D.C.
- Several Wounded, Including 2 NYPD Officers In Brooklyn Shooting
- NYPD Officers attacked by looters in Manhattan
- Militarized police are arresting people in Milwaukee and aiming shotguns at crowds

[tchaiku]

White supremacists may or may not be posing as Antifa.
But I do know that in general the far right-wingers are big liars and deceivers.
And they tend to like to play the victim too.

[Karposh]

Most of the looting I've seen on Twitter is of blacks running out of shops with their arms full of everything from cheesecakes to guitars.

That's too funny. Opportunism at its best.

Evidence of wilful damage to shops and other buildings seems to be largely perpetrated by blacks of various ages and youngish looking white kids.

Angry young blacks but also pasty white lefies (mostly Antifa) taking advantage of the situation.

Cowardly group attacks on mostly solitary white males has been at the hands of groups of blacks and young white men.

Shocking video exists of a white woman getting absolutely pummeled by a couple of black guys. Cowardly is not even the word...Pure wickedness.

None appear to be "white supremacists" by their actions nor in general appearance...they look more like the- extinction rebellion cunts

Trump hasn't done himself any favours tweeting away from the safety of the white house and, in the process, coming off less than presidential, but, in an election year, it fits the lefty (Democratic) narrative to label the trouble makers as "white supremacists" rather than admitting the vandalism is mainly due to those lefty cunts that you speak of.

The vast bulk of this shit has nothing to do with Floyd's unfortunate death (as everybody knows), the battle is between the various groups of the political left and their hatred of Trump - not sure where white supremacists fit the bill.

Absolutely...100% agree.

[Gocka]

Trump hasn't done himself any favours tweeting away from the safety of the white house and, in the process, coming off less than presidential

Quite surprising since he well known for being very presidential, quite brave, and an all around good guy.

[Karposh]

Current personal faults notwithstanding, any potential candidate that opposes the regressive left is an all round good guy as far as I'm concerned.

[Karposh]

Before anyone feels compelled to "Take the Knee", perhaps out of a genuine show of support for the cause, or, more than likely, because it's currently quite the trendy thing to do, please pay special attention to the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qwif8PF1EI

The really eye-opening bit starts at the 5 minute mark.

I never get tired of hearing lefties tell me how shamefully privileged I am and that I must apologise for that.

[Risto the Great]

That was pretty compelling.

[Soldier of Macedon]

I never get tired of hearing lefties tell me how shamefully privileged I am and that I must apologise for that.

No normal person on the right, centre or left of the political spectrum denies that slavery and racial discrimination were a horrible part of American history. But what is achieved by people kneeling in deference to strangers and apologising for the actions of people who died over a century ago? Are the youth of the contemporary Muslim world responsible for the past oppression of Christian Europe and Sub-Saharan Africa? There are countless other examples. The past should be acknowledged and it should never be forgotten, but the hope is that at some point people look forward and at least try to foster an environment of mutual respect. Alas, given what we know of human nature, perhaps in some cases that may be too idealistic. Macedonians who know their history understand this only too well. Go back far enough and everybody has a grievance. But if one does have a current grievance, why not channel that anger constructively or at least direct it at those who are responsible? How does burning down neighbourhoods, robbing stores, assaulting bystanders or attacking innocent people trying to protect their properties contribute in any way to the cause of justice? How can such 'courage' be mustered in amidst such chaos yet when an officer is causing the death of a man that 'courage' is limited to live commentary and smartphone recordings?

Leftist media outlets are doing their utmost to portray these disturbances as "mostly peaceful", all while there are buildings on fire in the background or in some instances seconds before their reporters are confronted and abused by rioters themselves. There are irresponsible celebrities talking about people being "hunted down", the type of hyperbole that only enflames the sentiments of impressionable youth. There is that moron who was cheering the destruction on Twitter, only to quickly change his tune and abuse the rioters when they began causing trouble near his home. Then there are politicians who have instructed the police to arrest people who break 'laws' on restriction of movement due to COVID-19, only to accept thousands of people huddled together whilst protesting (or rioting or whatever). The hypocrisy and lack of responsibility is astounding. These protests may have started as peaceful mass gatherings to call out injustice, but unfortunately for those well-meaning people, they're activities have been hijacked by opportunistic criminals and the so-called Antifa clowns. Some of the peaceful protesters have tried to dissuade others from burning, looting, destroying, etc., but their impact has been negligible. The same pattern has been repeated in London and Paris. There is a large gathering planned for Melbourne on Saturday. Ultimately, optics matter, so the legitimate protesters need to reject and remove such elements if they are to regain the initiative. At this point, however, I am not sure that is even possible and sooner or later, more people will call for order to be restored.

Quite surprising since he well known for being very presidential, quite brave, and an all around good guy.

Is the opposing guy who mumbled his way through the primaries and talked about little kids rubbing his legs a better option?