Macedonia and the European Union

[SoutherNeighbour]

I am not sure a left government in Greece under SYRIZA would so easily continue this bullshit Stojacanec

[Stojacanec]

What is happening is that Greece keeps on blocking Macedonia and especially with the bs Samaras government I wouldnt get my hopes high.

Or any goverment in greece for that matter.

[Dejan]

The power of veto can prevent rom ever joining nato or eu.

Is that totally a bad thing? We may just survive as a people if we never join.

[George S.]

its not surprising what they learned from blockading countries .The power of veto can prevent rom ever joining nato or eu.

[SoutherNeighbour]

What is happening is that Greece keeps on blocking Macedonia and especially with the bs Samaras government I wouldnt get my hopes high.

[George S.]

even though the politicians say the right things of what we want to hear they got eu or nato aspirations.I think the additional requirements imposed on macedonia are unfair or unjust.But as i said the rom govt keeps negotiating our name.Gruevski has allready capitulated on "om (skopje) "greeks have said no.Why keep negotiating our name.Its like a prostitute prostituting herself why continue with the name taks.When we have been taken advantage of so much one would have to consider the declaration of the inyterim accord as null and void.The gruevski govt still goes on as if nothing has happened.
The sad fact is they have sold out.Remember the fyrom name it was mean't to be a short term name.Its ridiculous.Also remember how they capitulated the flag sixteen ray sun to the ventilator.Short term memory loss.Macedonia can have a bright future if only the'll pull out asap from their talks.

[Vangelovski]

Welcome to the forum JVKMAC.

Its a long and tortured subject, but the general consensus here and the thinking of MTO Inc. is that the vast majority of Macedonians in Macedonia suffer from what Goce Delcev identified as a 'slave mentality' whereby they believe they either cannot or should not run their own country and now they allow others to meddle in their own affairs.

In the longer-term, I feel you may be correct in that our quisling politicians will eventually find a new name (instead of ending negotiations and declaring the Interim Accord null and void) and the Macedonian people will allow them to do it.

[JVKMAC]

Republic of Macedonia & entry to the EU

I am afraid that they will give in to the name dispute and it will burn me. could you please explain what is happening and what your views are on the topic.

[Bill77]

Government plans new measures to enhance powers to suspend and cancel passports

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-pol...04-100ab4.html

Allegedly......Same warning was issued to Macedonians in Australia during the Macedonia conflict with the Albanians.

Two Melburnian school colleagues fighting in Israeli army are injured in Gaza .....
The Israeli embassy in Canberra refused to comment on the number of Australians fighting for the IDF, but it is believed there are in excess of 100 enlisted.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tw...04-100cd3.html

Let's see if this applies to all Australian citizens.

[Gocka]

Today Ban Ki Moon called Israels bombardment of a UN school "criminal" and had some other harsh criticism. Lets see if it materializes into actual criminal charges. Don't hold your breathe.

I truly believe they indiscriminate bombing is intentional. I think the Israelis want to destroy the will of Gazan's so that they root out Hamas on their own from fear of this kind of nightmare reoccurring.

Like Chris said, how can anyone in those circumstances ever come to live a normal life. Personally, if my children or family members were slain in such a manner, I would probably lose it, I would become a terrorist. My father died of a heart attack when I was about 12, I still can't fully live it down and forget it, what if it was my whole family, in some gruesome blood bath? I cant even bare to watch any real footage, and these are people I don't eve know. What if it were one of yours?

[Risto the Great]

Totally correct Gocka. I find it utterly distressing and cannot imagine how a Palestinian could possibly develop a normal outlook on life.

But, this might be just a bible prophecy being fulfilled, so there might be nothing they can do about it. Macedonia doesn't have the bible to back it up. :-)

[Gocka]

The death toll in Ukraine after almost a year of fighting is estimated to be 1100, in Gaza after 2-3 weeks it is nearing 2000. I know its inhumane and dehumanizing to compare people vs people in such a manner, but I just wanted to give the scope of how many civilians have been killed in such a short period of time.

The part that really hurts the most is that Gaza has closed borders, these people are caged in, they can not flee even if they want to. The territory is a small city, you can either go to the north of the city or the south, when jets are dropping bombs everywhere, what difference does it make?

If Macedonia used the same type of campaign against Albanian terrorists in Tetovo and Debar, we would have gotten flatted by someone or the other, and brought up on genocide claims. I don't see how this is any different. The Palestinians have legitimates grievances but they are not allowed to react like the Albanians did, who had a fraction of the real grievances that Palestinians do. We as the protector of our nation and sovereignty also did not have a fraction of the support of the west that Israel does.

If there was ever a double standard there you go.

[Bill77]

What happens in the video? I cant bare watching.

It's a compilation of street footage from Gaza. Grieving people sifting through rubble and pulling out children's limp corpses. Trying to put out burning houses. Fleeing and screaming as jets zoom overhead and buildings explode. It gives a true sense of the horror they are going through. Without seeing what is happening we can only imagine. This video almost puts you amongst them and you get the true feeling. Very powerful.


I will say it again.....what a disgrace some of the Jews sitting on hill tops sitting on deck chairs applauding every explosion. Pure evil.

[Gocka]

What happens in the video? I cant bare watching.

When a Soldier goes into battle, he goes knowing he might not return. He has a choice.
Children that can not escape what they are born into, who have no choice, should be given a chance to live.

At what point did the Obama, Europe, the worlds......hearts decide children's lives are insignificant?


This is the sort of world we live in. The following video must be shown, and I make no apologies for it. I just hope God forgives me for what I am about to say.

Obama can go and Get fucked
US/Europe Get fucked
Hamas Get fucked.
Israel can Get fucked.

And George.s.......so can you with your inappropriate rambling.



WARNING very disturbing footage.

http://safeshare.tv/w/esYyrbpqDj

[DedoAleko]

Кога сме веќе кај Израел:

Fmr. Shin Bet Chief Warns: ‘If European Countries Fail to Protect Their Jews, the State of Israel Will’

In a blunt warning to a visiting group of European diplomats over a looming jihadi threat, a former deputy Shin Bet chief on Monday said “if you do not stand by our side, the day when Islamic terror will reach your homes, your beds and your kindergartens will come soon.”

Speaking with Danish, Swedish and Dutch ambassadors to Israel, as well as officials from the embassies of Britain, Belgium, Italy, Hungary, Austria and Germany, Knesset Member Israel Hasson (Kadima), pointed out that “NATO bombed 5,000 civilians in Kosovo just because it was insulted; 27,000 Iraqi civilians were bombed during the American invasion because they posed a danger to the US; there is not a country in the world that can talk to us about morality.”

Hasson, speaking at an “urgent meeting” of the Knesset Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs Committee on the situation of Jewish communities in Europe, warned that “If European countries fail to protect their Jews, the State of Israel will. Jewish blood is not cheap blood.”

A wave of violent protests, direct attacks and ominous antisemitism in the streets, schools, and media has swept the Continent is recent weeks, predicated on Israel’s Operation Protective Edge to foil rocket fire from Gaza, and tunneling beneath Israeli territory near the coastal enclave.

MK Shimon Ohayon (Yisrael Beitenu), referred to dozens of violent pro-Palestinian protests across Europe and said Israel is fighting “the war of the free and enlightened world against the darkness of Islamism.”

Had the world truly been concerned about the violence, “we would have seen protests all over Europe against the terrible acts being committed in Syria, where some 200,000 people have been raped and butchered,” Ohayon said, according to the Knesset statement.

Representatives of the Jewish communities in Europe, who arrived in Israel with the help of the Israeli Jewish Congress, spoke about their sense of insecurity. “Calls of `death to Jews` and `burn the Jews in gas chambers’ are heard regularly on the streets,” one representative said.

The European envoys condemned the anti-Semitic attacks in their countries and described the tools their governments use to combat the phenomenon. A representative of the French embassy in Tel Aviv said his country pledges “zero tolerance for displays of anti-Semitism,” adding that “every attack on France`s Jews is an attack on all of France.”

France, he said, had beefed up security around the Jewish communities even before the recent anti-Israel demonstrations. “France is not denying that there is a problem… The French government’s efforts against acts of racism will gradually increase,” said the official.

Dutch Ambassador to Israel Caspar Veldkamp noted that his country’s attorney general has opened cases against 40-50 people who participated in a radical demonstration and chanted anti-Semitic slogans.

“Absorption Committee Chairman MK Yoel Razvozov (Yesh Atid) said a distinction must be made between freedom of expression and incitement. The European countries must protect the Jews within their territory,” he said. “Otherwise, terror will eventually reach you.”

izvor: http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/28...f-israel-will/